February 6Feb 6 comment_744994 2 hours ago, rebusrankin said: Lawler, White, Smith, Woli and whomever Hamilton runs as the 5th guy is better. Mack, Philpot, Rambo, Spieker, Snead is also likely better. Sorry I meant to include a return of Lawler to that group as I just feel it's going to happen.
February 6Feb 6 comment_744995 14 minutes ago, Booch said: it seems like his protection isnt as good...and he is panicked and pressured...I think it more he not nimble and as quick to recognize, and maneuverer himself like he was.....hence what we see...Sure the oline isn't what we were used to...dominant...but they were by no means a collection of stiffs and scrubs. He also the last 2 yrs has lost a lot of his touch and accuracy....tell tale sign of a QB losing arm strength It is no longer a luxury to have a good back up who can come in and win games. It is a necessity. 1 minute ago, Brandon said: I don't think the accuracy/touch is the issue... it's him making bad decisions. I don't remember him throwing into double/triple coverage as much as he did in his earlier years with us. His arm was definitely diminished last year, especially early on. It seemed like he fought the ball coming out of his hand all year though. We saw a crazy amount of short to intermediate-depth tosses going low and behind, at the shoes, or just sailing way high into the hospital region for wrs. He's never been a guy who was great at check downs, or leading his receiver into more yac yards. But he probably bounced more screen passes into the ground last year than in his whole career. I firmly believe some thing is/was buggered up bad in his hand/wrist. He's had soo many hand injuries from following through and hitting guys helmets etc in the last 2 seasons. Sailing balls is a sign of trying to rush the ball out on a screen, but tossing em in the dirt is a classic sign of struggling to get the ball out cleanly. He's always been prone to chucking and forcing it down field. But last year was the worst year since he left sask for him in terms of reading the D and being read by the D. Defences all over had a field day reading his eyes and jumping routes.
February 6Feb 6 comment_744998 34 minutes ago, blue85gold said: He can throw for a zillion yards again and still miss the playoffs. As most of us thought BLM was cooked but proven wrong last season, the big question mark for me with BLM is can he replicate it yet again but also get the team into the playoffs?
February 6Feb 6 comment_745000 11 minutes ago, wbbfan said: It is no longer a luxury to have a good back up who can come in and win games. It is a necessity. His arm was definitely diminished last year, especially early on. It seemed like he fought the ball coming out of his hand all year though. We saw a crazy amount of short to intermediate-depth tosses going low and behind, at the shoes, or just sailing way high into the hospital region for wrs. He's never been a guy who was great at check downs, or leading his receiver into more yac yards. But he probably bounced more screen passes into the ground last year than in his whole career. I firmly believe some thing is/was buggered up bad in his hand/wrist. He's had soo many hand injuries from following through and hitting guys helmets etc in the last 2 seasons. Sailing balls is a sign of trying to rush the ball out on a screen, but tossing em in the dirt is a classic sign of struggling to get the ball out cleanly. He's always been prone to chucking and forcing it down field. But last year was the worst year since he left sask for him in terms of reading the D and being read by the D. Defences all over had a field day reading his eyes and jumping routes. Last year he had more pressure on him than all the other years combined.
February 6Feb 6 comment_745001 I think it’s pretty fair to say our receivers are middle of the pack now Ottawa, Montreal, Hamilton clearly better BC probably right around the same, Saskatchewan (barf) could easily be better Better than Edmonton, Calgary or Toronto I’d say
February 6Feb 6 comment_745003 3 minutes ago, GCn20 said: Last year he had more pressure on him than all the other years combined. 2 years ago he got pressured and hit a ton too. But like bob wiley said when he held court with our media years ago, sacks pressure and hits arent all on the OL. Zachs in-ability to get the ball out clean/quick creates those. Zachs unwillingness to take what a D gives him and force deep shots creates them. And yeah, the OL being the worst he's played behind in years creates those problems too. As does Bucks game plan and lack of adjustments. Basically every thing that can cause pocket collapse, did last year. Except for brady blocking, who as always worked his ass off and did a tremendous job. And as some one said, zach doesn't deal well when he's pressured. The last 2 years we've seen more frustration, and anger at his own team then maybe ever. 7 minutes ago, Mike said: I think it’s pretty fair to say our receivers are middle of the pack now Ottawa, Montreal, Hamilton clearly better BC probably right around the same, Saskatchewan (barf) could easily be better Better than Edmonton, Calgary or Toronto I’d say I think we could be any where from the bottom of the top tier, to the dumpster. I think our floor is higher and our ceiling is lower than last year. But that we will likely be better in the wr core this year, than last year. Sure could use another big rookie wr find.
February 6Feb 6 comment_745004 I still believe in Collaros because we saw flashes of it last year, even without his best weapon and a worse than lackluster OL. Yes, maybe he's making too much money to need that much help, but with that aside, I think he can still be the best QB in the league when he's got protection, an RB and some decent receivers. We're not that far removed from 2022/2023 where he was the undisputed best QB in the league. Edited February 6Feb 6 by Noeller
February 6Feb 6 comment_745006 35 minutes ago, wbbfan said: 2 years ago he got pressured and hit a ton too. But like bob wiley said when he held court with our media years ago, sacks pressure and hits arent all on the OL. Zachs in-ability to get the ball out clean/quick creates those. Zachs unwillingness to take what a D gives him and force deep shots creates them. And yeah, the OL being the worst he's played behind in years creates those problems too. As does Bucks game plan and lack of adjustments. Basically every thing that can cause pocket collapse, did last year. Except for brady blocking, who as always worked his ass off and did a tremendous job. And as some one said, zach doesn't deal well when he's pressured. The last 2 years we've seen more frustration, and anger at his own team then maybe ever. I think we could be any where from the bottom of the top tier, to the dumpster. I think our floor is higher and our ceiling is lower than last year. But that we will likely be better in the wr core this year, than last year. Sure could use another big rookie wr find. Nope not all pressures and sacks are on the OL. However, last year we saw an inordinant amount of average to below average OL play.
February 6Feb 6 comment_745008 Just now, GCn20 said: Nope not all pressures and sacks are on the OL. However, last year we saw an inordinant amount of average to below average OL play. Yep as did the wrs and zach. Basically just brady up to par. The ends struggled with speed the inside struggled to get in the way, we struggled a great deal with health and turn over on the ol. And health was a huge issue with the wrs. Lots of times wrs running the wrong routes breaking the wrong way etc.
February 6Feb 6 comment_745010 Sure the ol had problems, but there was a lot of pressure that Zach could have mitigated with quicker decision making.
February 6Feb 6 comment_745012 2 minutes ago, wbbfan said: Yep as did the wrs and zach. Basically just brady up to par. The ends struggled with speed the inside struggled to get in the way, we struggled a great deal with health and turn over on the ol. And health was a huge issue with the wrs. Lots of times wrs running the wrong routes breaking the wrong way etc. Yep there were a multitude of calamities particularly in the first half of the season. I though everything tightened up a lot better by the midway point. 1 minute ago, 17to85 said: Sure the ol had problems, but there was a lot of pressure that Zach could have mitigated with quicker decision making. For sure. A big part of that was O scheme too. Edited February 6Feb 6 by GCn20
February 6Feb 6 comment_745015 1 minute ago, GCn20 said: Yep there were a multitude of calamities particularly in the first half of the season. I though everything tightened up a lot better by the midway point. For sure. A big part of that was O scheme too. For sure. I mean, it couldn't have gotten worse lol. But it did improve whole sale mid to late. Zach, the ol, the wrs. The ol got healthy ish and meshed together, we got rid of most of the wr dead weight, and zach finally rounded back into qb1 form.
February 6Feb 6 comment_745019 2 takes: Some of the QB talk brings to mind Ricky Ray having one of his best years, but Edmonton missing the playoffs, 5000 yards, IIRC Also, when you know what an OL is capable of - shouldn't adjustments be made appropriately.
February 6Feb 6 comment_745020 I don't care if we look to have the best "on paper". I don't think Woli or Bailey were great receivers in the traditional sense, certainly not all-star pass catchers, but they filled a role and did a really good job doing it. When they were in the line-up IMO our entire receiving core was better, not because they could stretch the field or were making highlight real catches week in and week out while putting up gaudy stats...no our core was better because they did a great job in a different role. they were dependable, reliable they were tough, they were team guys not selfish stats guys and they generally stayed healthy. Last year offense suffered, I strongly believe a good receiver core has a mix of types and we didn't really have that last year and as a result kinda forced guys into roles they should not have been in and in turn saw Zach forcing balls he shouldn't have. I think we have moved in a slightly different direction in our receiving core and hopefully it will turn out to produce more consistent results than it did last year....
February 6Feb 6 comment_745022 1 hour ago, Brandon said: I don't think the accuracy/touch is the issue... it's him making bad decisions. I don't remember him throwing into double/triple coverage as much as he did in his earlier years with us. he throws a lot of craptacular passes....guys like Bailey when here...Lawler and Schoen bailed him out...Schoen took a beating doing it too...He was never a touch guy on swings or outlet tosses....but his intermediate and deep balls were money...how many times the last yr...yr and a half have we seen him hit guys in stride....or lead thenm to space?...Not very often.....
February 6Feb 6 comment_745024 Oops ... first posted this in the non-bombers thread but my question still stands: Who's in the QB room? So far we have ZC, Terry Wilson Jr., Jake Dolegala under contract. The club re-signed QB Darren Grainger in October only to see him suddenly "retire" in January. What's the deal with Strevy - will he be back? Who's left in the pool of FA QBs that we should grab - or do we need another young developmental guy along the lines of Grainger?
February 6Feb 6 comment_745026 2 hours ago, blue85gold said: He can throw for a zillion yards again and still miss the playoffs. I think he is lucky to still be starting in the league. He's no better than Maier. So its still a big win for Bo to end up in this type of situation. Gets to pad his career stats and extend his career.
February 6Feb 6 comment_745027 3 minutes ago, Doublezero said: Oops ... first posted this in the non-bombers thread but my question still stands: Who's in the QB room? So far we have ZC, Terry Wilson Jr., Jake Dolegala under contract. The club re-signed QB Darren Grainger in October only to see him suddenly "retire" in January. What's the deal with Strevy - will he be back? Who's left in the pool of FA QBs that we should grab - or do we need another young developmental guy along the lines of Grainger? off season mode for the forum. Both threats interchange roles at random times lol. Strevy is a good question. If it isn't him I think we will bring in another vet qb, as long as they are willing to play for a reasonable contract. Generally, we bring 5 qbs for rookie camp / start of TC. You require a lot of passes to all those wrs, and don't want to burn out the 1/2. So I expect 1 rookie, and strev/league vet.
February 6Feb 6 comment_745028 What bothers me about Zach more than anything is I think he should be taking a paycut to put better players around him. He's not as good as he used to be and needs a stacked team around him to be effective IMO. Other starters around the league took paycuts. Based on the regression in his stats he should have done this too.
February 6Feb 6 comment_745029 7 minutes ago, Colin Unger said: What bothers me about Zach more than anything is I think he should be taking a paycut to put better players around him. He's not as good as he used to be and needs a stacked team around him to be effective IMO. Other starters around the league took paycuts. Based on the regression in his stats he should have done this too. I don’t think ANYONE *should* take a pay cut, why would they?
February 6Feb 6 comment_745032 Just now, Mike said: Another meh receiver Sterns is the very definition of meh. Has some good games, makes some contested catches, but also has trouble tracking deep balls & has stone hands.
February 6Feb 6 comment_745033 Just now, greenrider55 said: Sterns is the very definition of meh. Has some good games, makes some contested catches, but also has trouble tracking deep balls & has stone hands. His statistics were actually surprising … better than I thought they’d be for sure. Did he get benched last year or injured? I remember his hands being pretty suspect in the couple games I watched
February 6Feb 6 comment_745034 11 minutes ago, Colin Unger said: What bothers me about Zach more than anything is I think he should be taking a paycut to put better players around him. He's not as good as he used to be and needs a stacked team around him to be effective IMO. Other starters around the league took paycuts. Based on the regression in his stats he should have done this too. we lost all negotiation power when we let Brown go, Also ty with MBT avail we could have used that as well
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