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Yep. Even when it's undeserved, coaches wear their record for good or for bad, that's how they are judged. The GM gets the talent assembled. That's his job, he gets the praise/fault for it. The HC doesn't sign the players. The HC is then responsible for taking the assembled talent, evaluating them, and then putting out a winning lineup and putting the talent in a position to win. Anyone suggesting otherwise is talking out their ass. Does the GM and HC talk to each other. Absolutely. At the end of the day though KW decides who stays, who goes, and who to sign and MOS decides how to use them. That is their respective job. KW has an SMS in which HE has to decide the best use of the dollars. MOS has input but the person deciding any players fate is KW in the offseason, and MOS during the season.

I'm not ignoring anything. Jake Maier is not a starting quality QB in this league, Good back up...but that is all.

Nick Arbuckle? Now you are just arguing in bad faith. One win, or one season, does not a QB make and that is why you look at the past several years when looking at a QB's winning pedigree. Harris is not a winner, Collaros is that is why the Bombers can give ZC a little extra rope and why the Riders should have moved on. Simple as that really. How does Zac give us a better chance to win? Really? He's a demonstrated winner. Harris is a demonstrated loser. As to whether the Riders could have made a better offer for Adams? Look at what Calgary gave up and then ask that question again.

I think Harris was a good QB, not great, but certainly passable. What he is now is 40. I don't care if he's Peyton Manning, running it back with a 40+ QB is not a good idea. Could it work out? Sure. However, there was a ton of QB movement this year and the Riders decided to run it back with an ancient QB. If there were no options whatsover, sure bring him back. However, there were options....many of them.

Once again, the right move would have been to pick up the phone and make a better offer for Adams than Calgary did. Hell, half of me thinks we should have done that as well. However, Zac gives us a far better chance to win than Harris gives the Riders. At the end of the day you can put the stat sheet up for Harris but he is aged out. Bottom line is that every time you start a 40 year old QB you are taking significant risk in losing your season.

You don't think O'Day is capable of completing a trade? You may be right, Idk, but the option was most certainly there for them too. Harris has been a league leader in dink and dunk for his entire career. The past 5 years has seen him, WHEN HEALTHY, put up great stats with a losing record to go with it. He has not been healthy much though, and there is no QB I would rather have on the bench or on the IR when the rubber hits the road then Harris. The guy is NOT and never will be a gamer. He is Kevin Glenn 2.0

What was Harris's win/loss record last year? Past 5 years? I don't give a fig about stats. I judge a QB by their ability to win. Selling paper is just to pay the beet bills. Farming is tough nowadays.

Tburg is a beet farmer too....weird...

The CFL has always rode it's starters until they fall off a cliff. Nothing new. Very seldom in my 45 years of following the CFL can I recall a year where every team had a quality starter. I have watched a semi-load of once great QBs just sadly stink up the joint and get shuffled off to retirement though. I expect this to be Harris's year to do that.

Yes Collaros is no spring chicken either. We have discussed this a lot over the months. What aboutism doesn't make the Riders decision to stick with a 40 year old QB any smarter though. Many here are of the opinion that we should stick a fork in Collaros due to his age or at the very least move on after our home Grey Cup this year. He will be as old as Harris 3 seasons from now. I'm a huge Zac fan, but if we are rolling him out 3 years from now I'm call that stupid as well. The reality is that all our young and talented NAT OL keep getting snapped up by the NFL. The NFL seems to have dropped it's Canadian bias when it come to OL. A lot of teams have to rethink their ratio on the OL, us probably included.

Harris not better than Zac, nor is he less injury prone. He is 40 something though and putting all your eggs in a 40 year old QB basket is as risky as it gets in the game of football. No better options? Vernon Adams was there for the taking.

The plan to stick with Harris is foolish.

That's what Lawler made last year. There would have been minimal cap impact. We shed a ton of salary and have not spent much of it at all. We could have easily signed Lawler at 275 and still gone big game hunting. Bighill, Alexander, Lawler..that alone is 300k in new SMS space. New players probably around 100k into that so far.

You are not alone in failing to see any sort of plan either. I don't think we took a "we good" approach, but I think we were sleeping at the wheel on at least one, and maybe more, players. OShea doesn't negotiate contracts Walters does. All O'Shea needs to have is his phone and the ability to answer it. Walters SHOULD HAVE had a priority list of our own FA's already done, and a target list of other teams FA's. That discussion should have been done by January with Walters on the clock to get it done. Not like we needed to pivot because we were tapped out of SMS. We lost out on players we could have kept and didn't add anyone of significance, That's poor GMing unless Walters has a couple aces up his sleeve.

Yea...it really feels like Walters did not come into this offseason well prepared at all. We can speculate as to whether other players may have opted not to come here, but we KNOW for certain Kenny wanted to stay. That is Walters dropping the ball right there. I know Hammy made him an offer he couldn't refuse, but we should have locked him down before that.

I'm not sure. I do know that Lawler would have stayed if we offered him the same as Hammy so it can't be a player(s) not wanting to be here necessarily because that's one big fish we could have easily kept. Just can't get a feel for what Walters is doing right now. Maybe his pipeline is telling him that a couple NFL guys are just TCF and he's waiting on that?

One would think we should have a ton of cap still even under the old SMS numbers.

Not just McManis. We did nothing to take their DL out of the game in the passing and nothing to spread out the Lbers in the run game either.

The game plan was to attack the Argos strength. Makes no sense. Pure hubris

For sure. The Bombers were able to exploit a Rider weakness. The Argos exploited our weak pass pro.

Riders made lots of mistakes, but you still have to recognize them and execute to capitalize. That's the difference between winning and losing in almost every football game. The amount of times you commit/force errors and amount of times you capitalize on them. What led to our inability to pass in the GC was unrelenting pressure from the Argos DL and a game plan that was not designed to get the ball out of our QBs hands.

Collaros was one of a great deal of players that have **** the bed in the past 3 Grey Cups. Some far worse than Collaros. We absolutely have to be thinking about our next QB all the time, no matter what. Zac won't carry our team to a Grey Cup. Never did before either. We need to give him the tools to succeed.

We will find out what kind of hawks we have now. Jim Jauch is pretty much considered one of the best receiver bird dogs out there, and has brought in some good talent for the Lions DesLauriers will be our NAT guy primarily. He and Walters will be scouting the CIS a lot. Not much of a resume for DesLauriers yet and this may be the biggest area of concern from last year. This was Goveia's wheelhouse with the Bombers. Brock Sunderland was well regarded enough as a recruiter of talent to earn himself an assistant GM job followed by a GM chance. He is a horrible GM.....but the man has an undeniable eye for talent. Honestly, the trio we picked up is probably far better at IMP recruitment than the duo we lost but KW is going to have to dust off his scouting hat again for us to keep pace at NAT recruitment.

Don't bother. Bringing up his good games won't change anyone's mind. They watched a masterful performance in the West final but chose to ignore it. They watched an Argos DL completely dominate our OL in last year's Grey Cup and an OC completely refuse to alter the game plan when it happened....but it's on Zac. They watched Zac turn his game around the entire 2nd half of the season and be the best QB in the league in the 2nd half of the season but choose to focus on the first 6 games where our OL was swiss cheese and our receivers didn't know the playbook. Zac still has more than enough game to win us a Grey Cup this year. Can he win it alone? Nope. Gonna need help....all QBs do.

This is Walters time of year. He is 100% responsible for who we keep, who we lose, and who we sign. Your hatred of MOS in this knows no bounds. This time of year is 100% on the GM. Once TC open then it's on the HC. No HC is going to ever tell his GM that we good. He will want all the talent the GM can find/sign then sort them out in TC.