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Burke from day one as head coach was pumping Goltz tires. He cut Elliott and Brink because he had that much belief in Goltz. I refuse to believe that Burke doesn't think Goltz can play just based on how much he did to make him climb the depth chart.

I think if Buck played like he did when he was good he wouldn't be as effective either. I maintain that he is just overall slower than he used to be, that coupled with the obvious mental block about getting injured means that he doesn't play that reckless style that made him successful. I think at this point in his career he is a backup at best. Need to make the change now for the good of the team. TIme to see if Goltz can do anything. At very least he's athletic enough as his few plays a game show to make something happen with his legs if things break down. Pierce is not consistent enough a passer to make me think Goltz can't pass at least as well (or hall for that matter) and be a better threat running.

oh sure there were a few that were dropped, but there were a lot more poor throws too. No team is going to go through an entire game with 0 drops, but when most of the passes aren't even catchable... It was particularly painful to see how as soon as Pierce sensed the pressure he just turtled. No attempt to avoid it, not attempt to get a pass off first, just hit the deck. He's playing like a rookie who's never seen a blitz before.

you can tell that he either just finished yelling and screaming at his team or was about to go yell and scream at them... that attitude won't work on a team that lacks talent and discipline, it'll only make matters worse.

I'm watching the first half right now since I missed it yesterday and on the first drive he had matthews up the middle as well and put it way over his head, had a catch by anderson that if it was better thrown anderson catches it in stride and has lots of daylight in front of him instead anderson had to go down to catch it... just a terrible outing. Leaving so many play on the field because of an inaccurate arm and an inability to do anything in the face of pressure.

I am not even sure I'd call Kavis Reed an excellent coordinator anyway. He always seemed pretty lacklustre to me except for that one year in winnipeg which I credit the talent for moreso than the coordinator.

and that they can't take penalties...

He's a maniac.... that team needs a change at head coach or it won't get any better.

god I hope so. It's to the point where I'm actively cheering for a Pierce injury because he is the worst possible option for this team right now.

nothing. Backup qbs with potential are dime a dozen I'd rather just try out the ones we have here thanks.

That was the entire idea behind cutting Elliott and Brink, to upgrade the backups... so if these guys are better than the ones we had last year why aren't we playing them when our starter is playing as bad or worse than anything we got last year from the position. Burke is going to cost a lot of people their jobs if he stubbornly sticks with an obviously finished quarterback.

well I think that was a case of a GM letting his coach have the guy he wanted, but Joe Mack isn't a dummy, he knows where his team needs help and if push comes to shove I think he will tell his employees just what he thinks of that qb. Pierce is a great guy, they gave him a chance to redeem himself and he dropped the ball, they'll move on, the only question is how long it takes.

that's the only thing keeping butts in the seats there I think. At least they get to watch some first overall picks put on a show.

This is a championship calibre defense, I can not see the management of this team letting the poor play at qb drag it down all year.

Parker was doing so well at linebacker, that is a real tough injury to take at this point in the season where we basically need the defense to be perfect to have a hope in hell of winning.

and you know that the worst part is? You and I and many others knew this about Pierce last season if not sooner and we knew this would be the result of sticking with him! If we average schmucks can see that Pierce is not a good qb anymore why the hell can't our coaches see it and move on? If Goltz and Hall aren't able to play then why the **** did we cut two qbs who had at least won games as starters to make room for them? Right now I just want to see someone else in there just to see what they can do.

even when Elliott was throwing those ints in the redzone... at least he was able to move the ball! 2 and outs are as bad as turnovers when the kicking game is having that kind of night! This defense is so good... just give them a break now and then!

I think there is cause for concern in Edmonton too... and it's not just related to the Esks, with the OIlers being as poor as they have been as well the sports fans in that town are giving up on the local teams since they're both such a mess.

you can go ahead and say it, Pierce is done as an effective qb in the CFL. The longer we stick with him the bigger the hole.

well if they stick with Pierce they'll be unemployed come year end, I think they'd rather try and spin it as "we knew Goltz was the guy all along" then get fired.

I think Goltz will be OK just because he's althetic enough that he can improvise a bit if the pressure gets there.

problem is there's no offense that fits pierce anymore. The mistake was keeping him in the first place and there are lots of us been talking about that since it happened as a huge mistake.

Than Pierce? me too, but he'd have trouble facing the pressure as well, just that he moves better than pierce. Elliott though would do well in this offense cause he was a quick passer, this O is basically made for him.

I'd agree. I don't think Reilly is all that hot as a passer either... but at least reilly can use his legs to make some things happen that pierce just can't do anymore. Sure wishing We'd kept Elliott instead of pierce at this point. THANKS BURKE!

but this topic is an old one right? so page 2 took place a long time ago.