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It’s honestly like how they’ve played the first half against most of these type of QBs but there was no adjustment. And just running a blitz into max protect when they show you 2nd down after each that’s what they will do just turns the advantage over to the O.

I think you’re underestimating how tight the margin is in these games. Like say Jeffcoat/Jefferson each get 15 snaps off due to Haba or Garbutt being dressed. They have way more juice for the the 2nd and 18, 3rd and 5 or whatever it would have been if they made the 2nd down play in the final minute. How does that not have an impact on winning? That’s the exact formula this group was using in 19 and 21….remember the Cheetah package they’d roll a bunch to keep everyone fresh and opposition off balance? It’s cliche to say “ok get the next play” because everything that happens is cumulative and there’s no way to just suck it up and have that energy difference present itself on that play as it would if you have 15 less snaps on your punchcard. That’s why it matters.

Nah Montreal would have played zone blitz all night and he probably turns it over 3-4 times.

The head coach always balances the roster out. If I coach special teams and I want this guy on but you’re the DC and want this other player as a 4th LB because you have a couple sets you want to use him for in the next game the head coach decides who gets what they want or how the game roster looks. Then we’re gonna go with the slot who has a bum ankle so we better have a plan to fill in for him in the likely event he can’t play the whole game so maybe my special teamer gets bumped off for that extra receiver and now I have to shuffle my plan. I mean you know from the look of the roster that every position doesn’t have backups and there’s much different utility for guys related to special teams.

Yeah we also have the fewest number of DB/LBs dressed I’ve ever seen at the 46 man roster number. So basically all those guys are on cover team and starting. We often had 8 OL and some games had 4 DTs dressed plus 2 backup receivers who don’t play teams. BOLO had at times but not often.

That whole Argo organization had a core of Canadians, linemen, defenders who played together from Flutie well through Pinball coaching. They pulled another one off in 04 but we mostly right around .500 the whole time and gave people tough games if they had a half decent QB or whatever you could call Damon Allen in the 2000s. It's almost exactly what MOS has constructed here. Now we just need to hope he can move on from some guys when the time is right and not only if they piss on his thought on work ethic like Harris.

This 2nd half was a lot like the Ottawa game. It was like this game was happening to them but they weren't really a part of it. Like in 21 they could stop the bleeding now they are just watching the play roll by.

Yeah big danger in waiting to NEED to make the changes too. We were basically a mash unit the past couple years by November. Like a Jeffcoat. Great player once a month or so now. West Final was his game this month.

It's the culture he came through in Toronto too. Remember Keith Stokes turning him inside out when he was years past his prime on a punt return to run the Bombers into a Grey Cup. Here's the leagues all time tackler and a punt returner the league quit on two years before just made him look like a rented mule in the biggest game. Seems to be an issue with telling guys when time is up...as long as they are willing to sweat in the gym I guess...seemed to be the issue for Harris.

Yeah we have a pile of depth guys over 30 too who might want to move into their next chapter instead of training 12 months a year to play 8. Neufeld, Bryant, Hardrick have been in the "one more year" phase for the last 3 basically.

Facilities and lifestyle because of it in both places is absolute **** for CFL players. I mean if BC is offering 200k and Winnipeg is offering 160k....that's different.

Absolutely. The majority of the rest of the league is ****. Strong potential to get all the way and cash in on that. Great market where you are a celebrity. Chance to earn $$$ that way moreso than anywhere else not on the prairies. Not a ton of American guys clamouring to get to the East. Canadian guys different story most guys trying to get home. Could lose Kramdi that way after spending the 3 years to make him a player just to see him go back to Montreal.

There's up to a dozen guys I could see retiring. Likely half of them will. That's a ton of money you backfill almost all of them with rookies. Cap goes up a little bit. There's guys who won't be back but might play somewhere else who made some coin but don't have that value anymore (like a Rose, even a Bailey). They'll have their core guys and slot in like any other team. I think for next year some money will go from OL and D to skill positions as opposed to previous years, but that's because the core is shifting a bit.

Yeah there's a bunch of money that should be freed up really. I can't imagine there won't be 3-4-5 guys retiring and most of them are 90s-six figures types that probably you'd replace almost all of them with rookies. I don't see cap space being an issue for the 2024 team. The problem will be finding the guys to backfill. But there's no reason they should be losing guys for money reasons that they want.

Think about what you're saying....you let a GM walk to keep your position coaches, AGMs? It makes no sense. Let Collaros walk because Castillo wants a raise is analogus. There's something much deeper at play here on either side (Walters/Bombers) or both.

I'm not really sure if some people think some players are literal gods or what. You play continually as a team with a handicap and it bites you in the ass from time to time. Almost all of our losses this season followed the same pattern. Had a chance to plan, prepare, manage better to mitigate that. Chose not to. Lost the game. Yeah someone could have pulled out a 70 yard run or something, down by down we got ground down to a pulp and mismanaged the game in all 4 quarters down to the clock in the 4th.

O'Shea has his raise. That's already been dealt with. If Walters was priority and wanted to be here he'd be locked up. There's no one beyond coach and GM that's locked in. If those are your guys and they want to be your guys you lock them up and slot everyone else in under that. If your OL coach says "I want 115 not 95" then you bring in the next guy. That's where you make your cap. Yeah sure. The AGM's aren't signed. Unlikely all the coaches are. Either way, you sign the top guys and work your way down, not the other way. There's a 0% chance the "cap" will impact the decision on this issue.

How about the TD drive to start the half when we had no backup DB because Parker got dinged on the return? Now we have Alexander getting burned at half and Bighill in man cover on the 3R getting burned for a TD. Yeah you don't see it I guess.

There's no way that is true. O'Shea is already on his new deal. Who have we added to football ops that makes up a GM salary? None of the AGM's are signed. It's not related to the cap at all.

No but his reaction on the injury stuff is just kind of sickening. As a player do you lap that **** up or wonder what happens if we go 46 v 46 instead of 44 v 46? By the time you get to this game the result is what matters. Results haven't been great without Harris dragging the whole team. Oliviera doesn't quite have that gear. Think of the 21 West Final. Sask should have killed us with the turnovers. Harris had to dominate the 2nd half. I'd say 21 Grey Cup is only one post Covid that ZC led the way.

Yeah you wonder. Is there a push from some to get a better mix and a refusal in some corners to move on from guys? I think as a fanbase we deserve a little honesty from MOS. There's no game next week. You can say "we ****** up" because the whole world watched it man.

On both those plays the receivers waited and didn't high point it. Wolitarsky didn't adjust to the ball at all just kept getting depth even as the DB stepped in front. Lawler adjusted but mistimed the leap. I had no issue with either of those throws. Put it out there for receivers to make plays. They didn't.

*41 football players 2 kickers 1 Navy Seal who sometimes gets in the way 2 guys who I'm not sure could have broke 6.5 in a 40 today but who are all-timers no doubt

Man based on the MOS post game you kind of feel what the fractures are with the front office. There's no chance he's moving on from a bunch of these guys unless they file their retirement papers.

The difference is that wasn't the best effort. You go out there and a couple plays go sideways but you played hard, lost to a good team. Whatever. This was just a team that wasn't ready for this game in any way. Thought it would just fall into their laps and up 17-7 seemed to solidify that lax intensity level down by down.