June 1, 201510 yr comment_122185 Willy's a good pocket passer when he has lots of time. He's not great at avoiding the rush or making quick decisions and getting the ball off on time on target. We've upgraded the O line to give him more time to make his decisions and throws which should help immensely. Add in the new rules and it's a perfect storm for him to have a breakout season. Good points. One thing that perhaps is under-stated is how much Walters has done to upgrade the receivers for Willy as well. The crew this year looks to be a lot more dangerous than Romby Bryant and Aaron Kelly. If Nick Moore can stay healthy and play 15 games at least that will go a long way too.
June 1, 201510 yr comment_122195 Doug Flutie was a scrambling QB who didn't have arm strength anywhere near Marve's. He did pretty well. In fact, he's one of the best all time CFL QB's. Different QB's have different strengths and weaknesses. Scrambling QB's don't need to learn how to be a pocket passer to be effective any more than pocket passers need to learn to scramble to be effective. The OC simply needs to design a playbook that works best for the type of QB he has. Willy's a good pocket passer when he has lots of time. He's not great at avoiding the rush or making quick decisions and getting the ball off on time on target. We've upgraded the O line to give him more time to make his decisions and throws which should help immensely. Add in the new rules and it's a perfect storm for him to have a breakout season. I thought it had already been established that the NFL style "pure pocket passer" does not work well in the CFL and that mobility is essential . What I hope to see from Willy this year is improved ability to hit his targets when rolling out something that was not evident last season. As a bonus adding motion also opens up the running game, it's no surprise that Cotton has his best games when Willy was not the QB.
June 1, 201510 yr comment_122205 17to85, on 01 Jun 2015 - 10:08 AM, said: "And the most important part, is that when teams know about a qb they can game plan for him. See it all the time, young scrambling qbs come in look good in year one, then when there's film on them and teams just take away their room to run and force them to win with just their arm they struggle. Casey Printers is a great example. If you kept him in the pocket he was terrible, you gave him room to run he could be dangerous. Marve needs to show that next step of being able to hurt teams with just his arm consistently because relying on the ability to run isn't always going to be available." True enough but Collaros seems to be doing okay playing this style and his arm isn't as strong as Marve's. Collaros is passing well enough that they don't just have to take away the run. Arm strength is about the last thing I care about when looking at attributes a qb should have. It's a nice bonus but it's not really all that critical. If the guy can read a defence and put the ball where it needs to be then arm strength by and large doesn't matter a lot. Doug Flutie is maybe the best example. There's a guy who could beat you with his legs, but the key for him is that he could also beat you with his arm despite it being not overly strong. It's all about not being one dimensional.
June 1, 201510 yr comment_122206 Marve's played less than a full game in the CFL total. It's way too early to suggest he's one dimensional.
June 1, 201510 yr comment_122208 Marve's played less than a full game in the CFL total. It's way too early to suggest he's one dimensional. And too early to suggest he isn't....
June 1, 201510 yr comment_122213 Marve's played less than a full game in the CFL total. It's way too early to suggest he's one dimensional. And too early to suggest he isn't.... I didn't say he isn't one dimensional. He may be or may not be one dimensional. It's way too early to suggest either is true. Happy now?
June 1, 201510 yr comment_122214 As with you, I'm never really happy....just try and do a little better each day....
June 1, 201510 yr comment_122254 Think that Marve has shown some ability as a change of pace guy....but sample size is insufficient to draw conclusions....
June 1, 201510 yr comment_122303 Doug Flutie was a scrambling QB who didn't have arm strength anywhere near Marve's. He did pretty well. In fact, he's one of the best all time CFL QB's. Different QB's have different strengths and weaknesses. Scrambling QB's don't need to learn how to be a pocket passer to be effective any more than pocket passers need to learn to scramble to be effective. The OC simply needs to design a playbook that works best for the type of QB he has. Willy's a good pocket passer when he has lots of time. He's not great at avoiding the rush or making quick decisions and getting the ball off on time on target. We've upgraded the O line to give him more time to make his decisions and throws which should help immensely. Add in the new rules and it's a perfect storm for him to have a breakout season. Regardless of whether a guy is a drop back and pass kind of QB or a guy who improvises more often, they gotta be able to move the chains with their arm/reads when the defense forces them to stay in the pocket. That is fundamental in this era of football. Flutie could, a guy like Damon Allen often struggled to when he played against teams that defended him well, and thus he played on many awful to average teams. A scrambling QB is the easiest thing for DC's to game plan against, but a guy who can burn teams from the pocket when he's contained is unstoppable, like Flutie. But talking about QB's from the 90s back is somewhat irrelevant too because the way defenses are scheming is completely different.
June 2, 201510 yr comment_122370 So we all agree that Marve needs more time to be properly evaluated. Excellent! I still think he may have more potential than Willy based on his athletic ability and the little he's shown so far.
June 2, 201510 yr comment_122382 Marves lack of any knees will forever concern me... This.. Every time I saw him run away I was thinking, ouch. Dunno how he looks so slick and speedy with those previous injuri s..
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