December 8, 20177 yr comment_309301 21 minutes ago, Atomic said: It's not relevant. When Basslicker comes in and talks about the concerns of false accusations, he is accused of not actually caring about that, but instead he's trying to make excuses for Republicans. It's the exact same thing here. You claim it's related, but really it's just a reason to be able to bring race into the discussion. On the left, your argument gets stronger the more -ist and -phobic words you can toss at the other side. Sexist wasn't getting the results you wanted, so you added racist. That's all this is. It would be naive to suggest that race plays no part in how the accuser or accused is viewed, judged and punished by the police, public , media and courts. Same goes for social standing. Racial considerations make this topic even more complicated, not only as accusations but at the prosecutorial stage as well. Corey Batey (a black college athlete) and Brock Turner (a white college athlete) were both convicted on felony counts of rape. Batey got a minimum of 15 years in prison. Turner got a 6 month sentence with a possibility of 3 monthsfor good behavior. He never even set foot in a prison.
December 8, 20177 yr comment_309303 5 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: 1) what makes you so concerned about this now? 2) what does it have to do with the topic of the Hollywood scandal? 3) what has changed to suddenly make false allegations rampant and damaging as opposed to pre-Harvey? 4) regardless of veracity of hard numbers to support or dispute, the stances of false allegations are comparably low. Shouldn’t we focus on ending the lousy behaviour? This will filter down to mainstream society. If you're not concerned about this then I submit that you & others just like to see the headlines. Seeing celebrities go down. Nothing to do with justice but enjoying the proceedings. Kind of like a crowd at a disaster taking it all in.
December 8, 20177 yr comment_309307 7 minutes ago, Wideleft said: It would be naive to suggest that race plays no part in how the accuser or accused is viewed, judged and punished by the police, public , media and courts. Same goes for social standing. Racial considerations make this topic even more complicated, not only as accusations but at the prosecutorial stage as well. Corey Batey (a black college athlete) and Brock Turner (a white college athlete) were both convicted on felony counts of rape. Batey got a minimum of 15 years in prison. Turner got a 6 month sentence with a possibility of 3 monthsfor good behavior. He never even set foot in a prison. It is incredibly disingenuous to suggest the only difference between the two cases is race. It is reprehensible that Brock Turner got such a light sentence. But the cases were not the same. Not by a long shot. But I do agree with you that it would be naive to suggest that race plays no part. It is playing a part right now, allowing you to view Brock Turner as a villain while you paint Corey Batey as a victim.
December 8, 20177 yr comment_309319 34 minutes ago, Atomic said: It is incredibly disingenuous to suggest the only difference between the two cases is race. It is reprehensible that Brock Turner got such a light sentence. But the cases were not the same. Not by a long shot. But I do agree with you that it would be naive to suggest that race plays no part. It is playing a part right now, allowing you to view Brock Turner as a villain while you paint Corey Batey as a victim. Please show where I suggested Corey Batey was a victim.
December 8, 20177 yr comment_309323 28 minutes ago, Wideleft said: Please show where I suggested Corey Batey was a victim. Are you not suggesting that he is a victim of institutional racism? That's what I got from your post. Otherwise why bring it up?
December 8, 20177 yr comment_309331 That would mean I think that they both deserve 3 month sentences. Which I don't. I would argue that Batey's sentence was just and therefore he was not a victim. Turner on the other hand....
December 8, 20177 yr comment_309337 22 minutes ago, Wideleft said: That would mean I think that they both deserve 3 month sentences. Which I don't. I would argue that Batey's sentence was just and therefore he was not a victim. Turner on the other hand.... Then how does Batey factor in at all? Brock Turner receiving a ridiculously lenient sentence stands alone on its own merit. There are many differences between the two cases, and race is just one of them. In fact, race played more heavily into the Batey case because some would argue it was a hate crime to gang rape a white girl and then piss on her face while telling her "This is for 400 years of slavery." Again, I'm just not sure what point you were attempting to make.
December 9, 20177 yr comment_309355 3 months vs 15 years both for felony rape. Don't know what I need to further explain. Perhaps that the privileges that come with being white are also extended to being male? I don't understand why people are so afraid of behaving respectfully around women when they have likely been respectful to their mothers, grandmother's, sisters etc.
December 11, 20177 yr comment_309535 On 11/30/2017 at 7:17 PM, nate007 said: Nicholas Cage wouldn't surprise me... Googles "Nicholas Cage harassment"... Turns out he was arrested for domestic abuse in 2011. Okay, my real guess is Alton Brown, or maybe Guy Fieri. One of those two. https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/batali-steps-down-after-sexual-misconduct-allegations-463400863.html Well, I wasn't too far off...
December 11, 20177 yr comment_309566 Aww crud Batali was a cool dude, he was funny on his recent interview with First we Feast...
December 13, 20177 yr comment_309810 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/salma-hayek-pens-op-ed-detailing-harrowing-weinstein-demands-frida-1067206 If you haven't used up your 3 free articles for the month, you can read it here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/13/opinion/contributors/salma-hayek-harvey-weinstein.html Edited December 13, 20177 yr by Wideleft
December 13, 20177 yr comment_309854 re: false allegations, they do exist. Here is a great example of the difference between a false accusation and a credible accusation. https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-cernovich-chuck-johnson-alt-right-hyped-anti-schumer-forgery-that-plagiarized-conyers-complaint Edited December 13, 20177 yr by johnzo
December 14, 20177 yr comment_309886 http://tvline.com/2017/12/13/tavis-smiley-suspended-pbs-talk-show-sexual-misconduct-abuse/
December 14, 20177 yr comment_309889 http://tvline.com/2017/12/13/the-great-american-baking-show-johnny-iuzzini-fired-season-3/
December 14, 20177 yr comment_309897 holy crap the Supersize me guy too? http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/13/morgan-spurlock-sexual-harassment-admits-problem-rape/ though no one has accused him of anything but at least he's saying something before anyone else can Edited December 14, 20177 yr by iHeart
December 14, 20177 yr comment_309937 20 hours ago, johnzo said: re: false allegations, they do exist. Here is a great example of the difference between a false accusation and a credible accusation. https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-cernovich-chuck-johnson-alt-right-hyped-anti-schumer-forgery-that-plagiarized-conyers-complaint It would be good for society if Cernovich got the max 10 years in prison. He can take James O' Keefe with him.
December 14, 20177 yr comment_309964 21 hours ago, johnzo said: re: false allegations, they do exist. Here is a great example of the difference between a false accusation and a credible accusation. https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-cernovich-chuck-johnson-alt-right-hyped-anti-schumer-forgery-that-plagiarized-conyers-complaint Yes. Here is another great example: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/business/media/rape-uva-rolling-stone-frat.html
December 14, 20177 yr comment_309982 Great read about Salma Hayek, but yikes the guy sounds like a monster.
December 14, 20177 yr comment_309995 1 hour ago, Atomic said: Yes. Here is another great example: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/business/media/rape-uva-rolling-stone-frat.html yup, absolutely, and Rolling Stone deserves all the heat it got for the story. This is a super real problem and messy reporting about it really hurts efforts to do something about it.
December 15, 20177 yr comment_310093 21 hours ago, johnzo said: yup, absolutely, and Rolling Stone deserves all the heat it got for the story. This is a super real problem and messy reporting about it really hurts efforts to do something about it. And that's the ugly part of these accusations hitting the public arena before they go before the courts. Because even though the overwhelming majority are likely true, there will be the occasional revelation of a false accusation too. And certain people will latch onto those ones and use them to discredit real accusations.
December 16, 20177 yr comment_310131 http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/15/carolina-panthers-investigating-owner-alleged-misconduct/
December 16, 20177 yr comment_310151 http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/15/gene-simmons-sued-for-sexual-assault-interview/
December 17, 20177 yr comment_310207 He’s getting blowback for this. I appreciate he’s trying to make a nuanced argument and he’s right to an extent but doesn’t seem to really get it either.
December 17, 20177 yr comment_310210 You just know that Donald J Trump and his family members will take all the credit for putting more awareness on this issue.
December 18, 20177 yr comment_310234 http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/17/gene-simmons-kiss-faces-lawsuit-over-groping-misconduct-allegations.html Oh no... Gene Simmons' impeccable reputation shall forever be tarnished
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