3 hours ago, CodyT said:

Trevor Harris can flat out play... an elite qb in this league. 

When he's hot, he's a gamer for sure, but when you rattle his cage it seems to affect him beyond the actual game and into future contests. Consistency can develop over time though.

I want to believe Trevor Harris is legit...I like the guy.....but until I see a whole season from him, I'm not ready to proclaim anything.

Harris came into the game with a throwing hand injury and took a beating last night. Every time they showed him on the sidelines, he had ice on his arm. Once, he was getting a calf massage too. He still came back into the game and threw deep balls on time, on target. Hardly Glenn like.

11 hours ago, BomberBall said:

Not sure that was a catch and fumble.

if you're talking about the Lavoie one, he caught it, looked up, took a step and was creamed. If that was a bomber everyone here would have been calling for a fumble.

8 hours ago, Taynted_Fayth said:

I definitely underestimated how good of a pick up that was by Ottawa signing Dionte Spencer this past offseason. That was a hell of a game by him

He caught a short pass at the beginning of the game and put a wicked spin move on a defender, at that point I realized he was just a step quicker than everyone else out there last night.

Definitely didn't think the Lavoie catch and fumble was even close to a catch.

Looked like a catch and fumble to me.  Caught it, turned and took a step.  That's a catch and a fumble, IMO.

It's the same as this one from 2015 Banjo Bowl (55 min mark)

 

 

8 minutes ago, Mike said:

Definitely didn't think the Lavoie catch and fumble was even close to a catch.

that's weak, definitely a catch and a fumble. How many steps does the guy need to take.

Just now, Gotmilt said:

that's weak, definitely a catch and a fumble. How many steps does the guy need to take.

How many do you think he took to begin with?

Just now, Mike said:

How many do you think he took to begin with?

caught it, secured it, looked up took a step, destroyed.

4 minutes ago, Gotmilt said:

caught it, secured it, looked up took a step, destroyed.

I guess that's where we disagree. I don't think he took any steps.

If you look at it, he caught the ball with one foot on the ground. Pivots, plants the other foot, gets blown up and loses the ball. If that's a catch on the sidelines and the same thing happens, but the ball goes out of bounds, that's ruled an incomplete pass every single time.

He didn't take a step, he didn't make a football move. Should've been ruled incomplete.

 

Just now, Mike said:

I guess that's where we disagree. I don't think he took any steps.

personally I'm a little biased to the possession rules anyways, its just so cheesy when there's a big play and the ref says he didn't have control because he didn't "make a football move".

Just now, Gotmilt said:

personally I'm a little biased to the possession rules anyways, its just so cheesy when there's a big play and the ref says he didn't have control because he didn't "make a football move".

I don't like the "football move" rule either. But in this case, I lean more towards pointing out that he didn't take a single step before getting blown up.

Just now, Mike said:

I don't like the "football move" rule either. But in this case, I lean more towards pointing out that he didn't take a single step before getting blown up.

He did though.  Just not after the pivot.  He caught the ball, took a step backwards, pivoted on that foot, took half a step and got blown up.

2 minutes ago, Mike said:

I don't like the "football move" rule either. But in this case, I lean more towards pointing out that he didn't take a single step before getting blown up.

Glad I'm not a ref but if it continues to be called this was I won't be complaining.

I believe it should be similar to hockey where the defenceman tosses you a sewer pass has to responsible for A. a turnover and B. Killing your teammate. Also forces players to be more aware of where they are on the field.

Edited June 30, 20178 yr by Gotmilt

Just now, Atomic said:

He did though.  Just not after the pivot.  He caught the ball, took a step backwards, pivoted on that foot, took half a step and got blown up.

I'm trying to imagine the footwork involved in what you're describing. Not only does it sound impossible, but I'm looking at the highlight right now and I can't say that I agree that is what happened.

Trying to look at it right now and lay it out.

Sinopoli secures the ball a few inches ahead of the 50 yard line, left foot on the ground, right foot in the air. Puts right foot down, pivots, left foot comes off the ground just before Singleton drills him. They're still inside the 51 yard line.

Not sure how that would constitute a catch.

1 minute ago, Mike said:

Trying to look at it right now and lay it out.

Sinopoli secures the ball a few inches ahead of the 50 yard line, left foot on the ground, right foot in the air. Puts right foot down, pivots, left foot comes off the ground just before Singleton drills him. They're still inside the 51 yard line.

Not sure how that would constitute a catch.

He catches it, tucks it, plants his feet and pivots, I don't know how you can say that isn't a catch even if he didn't take a step.

1 minute ago, Gotmilt said:

He catches it, tucks it, plants his feet and pivots, I don't know how you can say that isn't a catch even if he didn't take a step.

Because he doesn't tuck it.

3 minutes ago, Mike said:

Trying to look at it right now and lay it out.

Sinopoli secures the ball a few inches ahead of the 50 yard line, left foot on the ground, right foot in the air. Puts right foot down, pivots, left foot comes off the ground just before Singleton drills him. They're still inside the 51 yard line.

Not sure how that would constitute a catch.

That's exactly what I said!!!  But I believe it constitutes a catch when he is able to plant and pivot and begin taking a step in the other direction.

Player makes a catch by the sidelines. Only gets 1 foot down. Called a catch, every time. Same should hold true on the field. Player makes a catch. Gets one foot down. It's a catch. If he then gets blown up and fumbles, it's a fumble.

Bigger question in my mind is how the heck was Harris' fumble for a TD, not called a fumble? Sure, his arm was moving forward, but the ball ended up being thrown behind him, behind the LOS, which is a lateral, which becomes a fumble.

6 minutes ago, Mike said:

Because he doesn't tuck it.

I'm going off memory but Harris just can't toss that one, if that's Harris (Andrew) and he gets lit up like that I'm mad as hell at Nichols.

Edited June 30, 20178 yr by Gotmilt

Just now, TBURGESS said:

Player makes a catch by the sidelines. Only gets 1 foot down. Called a catch, every time. Same should hold true on the field. Player makes a catch. Gets one foot down. It's a catch. If he then gets blown up and fumbles, it's a fumble.

Bigger question in my mind is how the heck was Harris' fumble for a TD, not called a fumble? Sure, his arm was moving forward, but the ball ended up being thrown behind him, behind the LOS, which is a lateral, which becomes a fumble.

Part 1: you're missing the second part of the equation, where you have to survive contact. If all you need to do is have one foot on the ground and possession of the ball for a millisecond for it to be ruled a catch, then there are a lot more catches in the CFL than what gets called.

Part 2: it's a different rule when there's contact, but I can't find the play to comment and I don't remember it.