June 14, 20178 yr comment_268183 Surely some of you don't think there's a conspiracy here, really? Players get cut.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268184 1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said: I guess it doesn't matter who recruits who, it's who ends up starting where. I wouldn't totally say that... BC ended up with Danny Vandevoort because of good QB recruiting... I'd be surprised if Franklin doesn't get a decent haul
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268185 2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Neither have about 50% of the teams. I'd say every team but Montreal, Hamilton, and us have scouted and developed a quality starter in that period. Even Ottawa found Kerry Joseph.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268187 14 minutes ago, yogi said: I'd say every team but Montreal, Hamilton, and us have scouted and developed a quality starter in that period. Even Ottawa found Kerry Joseph. Could be. But like I said teams signs free agents so does it really matter? Teams have to keep the qbs they develop. Other than Mitchell, Durant (until Jones showed up) &Lulay, qbs go where the most money or best deal is.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268188 2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Surely some of you don't think there's a conspiracy here, really? Players get cut. the question is not conspiracy bu a questioning of MOS's judgment ... there has been reason to question part of it in the past and the suggestion that certain blind spots continue to exist to the detriment of the whole club ... others who see the flaw/s may end up in sharp disagreement ... that is the nature of the current discussion/emerging problem identification
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268189 Don't drag O'Shea alone into this. I'm pretty sure LaPolice has a big say in how a QB is progressing, not to mention Buck Pierce..
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268191 8 hours ago, rebusrankin said: Not every GM can be a QB guru like Wally Buono (Garia, Dickenson, Burris, Pierce, Lulay, Reily, Jennings). Hell, you can add Printers in there, sure he turned to chicken **** but dude had an MOP season in 2004 and a decent season in 2005. Barker also has had a pretty good run in TO .. half the Eastern Division is starting Barker QBs. Funny how the Argos aren't one of them. Totally pulled a Vancouver Canucks there, turning two excellent prospects into zero excellent prospects.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268195 15 hours ago, Mike said: I do wonder if they're going to install any packages for The Fever to run. I don't necessarily know that I want him taking any snaps that are going to result in many throws, but I'd like to see some gadget stuff. He's athletic enough to work it. Maybe do the old Double QBerooski with The Fever behind center and Dom Davis at wideout. Would be nice to see a short yardage/goal line package for him to run the read option.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268198 10 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Surely some of you don't think there's a conspiracy here, really? Players get cut. I think you are missing the point. The question was really about the initial assessment of Apodaca as a potential CFL quarterback.
June 14, 20178 yr Author comment_268200 10 hours ago, Floyd said: I wouldn't totally say that... BC ended up with Danny Vandevoort because of good QB recruiting... I'd be surprised if Franklin doesn't get a decent haul I mean, we got Faith Ekakitie because of good QB recruiting too.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268204 23 minutes ago, Mike said: I mean, we got Faith Ekakitie because of good QB recruiting too. I feel like that was more due to a complete implosion of the Toronto Argonauts management ha Don't get me wrong, I'd be pumped if this team signs James Franklin or picks up Brock Jensen too
June 14, 20178 yr Author comment_268205 2 minutes ago, Floyd said: I feel like that was more due to a complete implosion of the Toronto Argonauts management ha Don't get me wrong, I'd be pumped if this team signs James Franklin or picks up Brock Jensen too Still counts!
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268207 I just skimmed through a couple posts and now I'm completely lost. Are we still talking about a 4th string receiver getting cut?
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268209 1 hour ago, tracker said: I think you are missing the point. The question was really about the initial assessment of Apodaca as a potential CFL quarterback. Yeah but every single team brings qbs up and cuts them, just because a guy doesn't work out doesn't mean the initial assessment was wrong. As I said in a previous post, they likely saw the physical tools and wanted to get an up close look and see if there was anything there to work with. After seeing the guy in a preseason game and through camp they decided that there wasn't. Happens with tons of players every single year in every city in the league.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268214 37 minutes ago, Mike said: Still counts! Yup... but so does missing out on the FA competition for Collaros and then Burris. I just want to be excited about a potential franchise QB that the bombers have found - really thought Joey Elliott was that guy... hoped Marve might be... Will be good to see what Davis can really do, hopefully they give him most of Thursday's game - doesn't seem like he's really lit up a team yet...
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268218 2 minutes ago, Floyd said: Yup... but so does missing out on the FA competition for Collaros and then Burris. I just want to be excited about a potential franchise QB that the bombers have found - really thought Joey Elliott was that guy... hoped Marve might be... Will be good to see what Davis can really do, hopefully they give him most of Thursday's game - doesn't seem like he's really lit up a team yet... Nichols gets the 1st half +........Davis and The Fever split the 2nd half...
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268221 Just now, Noeller said: Nichols gets the 1st half +........Davis and The Fever split the 2nd half... Yeah, I'm hoping Davis gets 3rd Q plus part of 4th - I mean more reps than LeFevour
June 14, 20178 yr Author comment_268222 4 minutes ago, Floyd said: Yup... but so does missing out on the FA competition for Collaros and then Burris. I just want to be excited about a potential franchise QB that the bombers have found - really thought Joey Elliott was that guy... hoped Marve might be... Will be good to see what Davis can really do, hopefully they give him most of Thursday's game - doesn't seem like he's really lit up a team yet... Something we agree on.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268227 10 minutes ago, Floyd said: Yup... but so does missing out on the FA competition for Collaros and then Burris. Might as well throw Reilly into the conversation, too. And we'll title it "QBs the Bombers didn't have a shot at landing."
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268230 13 minutes ago, Floyd said: Yup... but so does missing out on the FA competition for Collaros and then Burris. I just want to be excited about a potential franchise QB that the bombers have found - really thought Joey Elliott was that guy... hoped Marve might be... Will be good to see what Davis can really do, hopefully they give him most of Thursday's game - doesn't seem like he's really lit up a team yet... Elliott was a bit mystifying because he didn't really play his way off the roster. He was a very productive QB at the time we let him go. Purely a decision based on his personality and willingness to buy into the system...not skill. Had Joey Elliott stayed within the playbook more often I still think he could have been a franchise QB.
June 14, 20178 yr Author comment_268231 Had he not had a coach who threw him under the bus, that might have helped also. For all the talk of Mike Kelly and Joe Mack, etc, etc ... I think it is quite honestly Tim Burke who set this franchise back the most in his time here. He was an absolute disaster.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268232 3 minutes ago, Mike said: Had he not had a coach who threw him under the bus, that might have helped also. For all the talk of Mike Kelly and Joe Mack, etc, etc ... I think it is quite honestly Tim Burke who set this franchise back the most in his time here. He was an absolute disaster. Burke didn't really want to be a H.C. in the first place, so I'm not sure you can put the blame squarely on his shoulders.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268233 1 minute ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said: Burke didn't really want to be a H.C. in the first place, so I'm not sure you can put the blame squarely on his shoulders. No one put a gun to his head and forced him.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268237 20 hours ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said: Listen around 20:00, Bauming speaks to McManus about bringing in Apodaca. http://www.tsn.ca/radio/winnipeg-1290/cfl-60-may-29-2017-1.764721 He scouted him for years. Could've been watching 5 minutes of tape a year for all we know. Doesn't mean anything other than he was on McManus's radar for a while....probably like a hundred other QBs. At any rate, my point remains, there is no way that McManus would've known more about Apodaca or any other Bomber QB he recruited than the coaching staff would learn after a couple weeks of practice.
June 14, 20178 yr comment_268238 this thread is seriously coming unglued, BUT....I just want to make sure there's no revisionist history: At the time, Tim Burke was heralded as the next great HC-In-Waiting. He'd had one interview already for Als HC, and we knew it was just a matter of time before he got his shot, so Mack jumped the queue and gave him a position before someone else did. It just turned out that it completely backfired....
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