February 3, 20178 yr Author comment_246693 3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: But the word is Myers is dealing with a personal issue. So if you leave him exposed and he's not hurt, they will snag him. They might snag him even if he was hurt this whole time. He'd be their #1 D on a great contract. I wouldnt say Buff is untouchable down the road...but I think the Jets hope they are in the position where they'd want to keep him. If they trade Buff near the end of his deal its likely to a team going all in to contend for the cup. Jets hope thats them He'd be drafted in an instant. His contract eats 5.5m of the cap and he is only going to get 3.5m and 3m for the next two years. Now that Trouba is getting so much TOI, maybe Buff can sit bck and let someone else worry a bit about the O game. Without Myers, Buff has really been our only point producer from the back end although Trouba has started in the last dozen games or so. I hope Poolman signs and comes as advertised...he has played both sides.
February 3, 20178 yr comment_246694 32 minutes ago, Ducky said: Regardless, what would Myers have looked like carrying Stu like Trouba did? Something like this?
February 4, 20178 yr comment_246783 Maurice was asked about Myers today. Serious as I've ever seen him said... there is no progress. He's not getting any stronger. I think you could see myers go to LTIR or be bought out this off season. I think its a serious issue. Maurice's demeanor said it all.
February 4, 20178 yr comment_246784 8 hours ago, Ducky said: He'd be drafted in an instant. His contract eats 5.5m of the cap and he is only going to get 3.5m and 3m for the next two years. Now that Trouba is getting so much TOI, maybe Buff can sit bck and let someone else worry a bit about the O game. Without Myers, Buff has really been our only point producer from the back end although Trouba has started in the last dozen games or so. I hope Poolman signs and comes as advertised...he has played both sides. Maurice said he's made no progress and isn't getting stronger. If he's not bought out he's gonna be left exposed for sure.
February 4, 20178 yr comment_246789 If he can't return you don't buy him out. LTiR provides cap relief does it not? And players are insured.
February 4, 20178 yr comment_246795 Why not expose him to Vegas. Go 7 3 1 then. It's a business and exposing a player who could be seriously injured Is best for business. Vegas wont take him. Them you have to decide what's better... buy out or LTIR... really not much difference there
February 4, 20178 yr comment_246806 There is a big difference If it is a career ending thing you get insurance to pay the salary and no cap hit with LTIR. Buyout means money out of pocket and a cap hit over a number of seasons. It isn't even a decision if it is a career ending injury. You don't buy him out As for protecting him, if what you are reading into this is right (not yet convinced it is), then this may come into play. Quote * Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a club's player exposure requirements, unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection by the League. And if he isn't exempt and his career is done, then of course you don't protect him.
February 4, 20178 yr comment_246817 20 hours ago, Ducky said: He'd be drafted in an instant. His contract eats 5.5m of the cap and he is only going to get 3.5m and 3m for the next two years. Now that Trouba is getting so much TOI, maybe Buff can sit bck and let someone else worry a bit about the O game. Without Myers, Buff has really been our only point producer from the back end although Trouba has started in the last dozen games or so. I hope Poolman signs and comes as advertised...he has played both sides. Even if Poolman signs, what makes you think he can jump to the NHL?
February 4, 20178 yr Author comment_246820 I don't know if he can...that is why I said comes as advertised.
February 4, 20178 yr comment_246823 Lawless' opinion of Poolman was the jets are high on him and he would have gotten an opportunity to play this year. Did I hear right that he plays both sides? Would jets consider a RHD on the left side a long term proposition? THat would certainly help
February 4, 20178 yr comment_246964 How many games does Myers have to sit out to not be eligible for the expansion draft?
February 5, 20178 yr comment_246987 3 hours ago, Floyd said: How many games does Myers have to sit out to not be eligible for the expansion draft? That's new to me.
February 5, 20178 yr comment_246995 27 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: That's new to me. Was answered by Rich earlier... 13 hours ago, Rich said: There is a big difference If it is a career ending thing you get insurance to pay the salary and no cap hit with LTIR. Buyout means money out of pocket and a cap hit over a number of seasons. It isn't even a decision if it is a career ending injury. You don't buy him out As for protecting him, if what you are reading into this is right (not yet convinced it is), then this may come into play. * Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a club's player exposure requirements, unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection by the League. And if he isn't exempt and his career is done, then of course you don't protect him. Chevy was willing to bit a $3.9 million bullet to protect Hellebuyck from expansion draft... maybe this Myers thing is ending up as the same thing Original injury is probably very real but maybe they are calculating the risk/benefit of sitting him out for the rest of the season - he will heal for 2018-19 and probably be exempt. Then again, watching the gong show of player moves with this team... that's probably giving them too much credit
February 5, 20178 yr Author comment_247013 2 hours ago, Floyd said: Was answered by Rich earlier... Chevy was willing to bit a $3.9 million bullet to protect Hellebuyck from expansion draft... maybe this Myers thing is ending up as the same thing Original injury is probably very real but maybe they are calculating the risk/benefit of sitting him out for the rest of the season - he will heal for 2018-19 and probably be exempt. Then again, watching the gong show of player moves with this team... that's probably giving them too much credit Not sure what you mean here?
February 5, 20178 yr comment_247015 5 minutes ago, Ducky said: Not sure what you mean here? Really not up for another expansion draft interpretations debate but... I still believe Pavs was only sent down because we need to expose Hutch as our goalie and that Chevy had a real belief that Vegas would take Helle
February 5, 20178 yr Author comment_247016 Regardless of where Pavs was or who he was playing for or even if he was traded, if Hutch went to the Moose, he could still have been exposed and Helle protected though. Hutch is signed to an NHL contract so even if he played on the Moose, he would still fill our requirement for the expansion draft.
February 5, 20178 yr comment_247022 48 minutes ago, Ducky said: Regardless of where Pavs was or who he was playing for or even if he was traded, if Hutch went to the Moose, he could still have been exposed and Helle protected though. Hutch is signed to an NHL contract so even if he played on the Moose, he would still fill our requirement for the expansion draft. At first, I didn't believe this but if that actually is the case... I might be convinced that the Jets just made a really really stupid personnel decision. More likely, Chevy caught Pavs doing lines off his desk and was like 'Again?!'
February 5, 20178 yr Author comment_247023 Hutch ... One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list. Pavs is an UFA so he doesn't figure nto the expansion draft for the Jets. Stu ... One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons. ex. Matthias and Copp ... ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons. These players would fill our MINIMUM requirements.....so for example, if we picked up Halak......we protect Helle and any other goalie we have that qualifies can be drafted... same as forwards or D men.....if we go 4-4-1 and protect Helle, Myers, Buff, Enstrom, Trouba, Scheif, Wheeler, Lowry and Little, then one of Dano, Copp, Matthias, Armia, or MP could be drafted. Muddy the waters more for you?
February 6, 20178 yr Author comment_247152 I was talking about Myers with a buddy and we were discussing him regarding the expansion draft. If he comes back and plays before the end of the season, I would trade him for blue chip D prospect(s) before the expansion draft. If you can't or if he doesn't come back this year and has to be protected or be eligible for draft, do we prtoect him or leave him exposed and lose him to Vegas? He is signed for two more years for 3.5m and 3m. Is it wiser to take that cash, if we lose him, and put it towards his/Enstrom's replacement or maybe a really good 3rd pairing D man? I lean towards taking that money and adding to it and going after a good UFA D man and my buddy said pick up a really good 3rd pairing D man. It would allow us to keep our forwards and force us to make a move on D because let's face it, after Buff, Morrissey, Trouba and Enstrom, we haven't had an NHL caliber D man play for this team this year. (Myers excluded) Chevy needs to address this and our goalie situation this off season. Alzner or Michael del Zotto or I still say in the long run that losing MP would be the best for us but losing Myers and putting his salary towards another D man wouldn't be all that bad.
February 6, 20178 yr comment_247299 On Maurice's interview today he said they will have news on Myers in the next few days
February 7, 20178 yr Author comment_247333 2 hours ago, Brandon said: On Maurice's interview today he said they will have news on Myers in the next few days He also said that they are choosing to let the young players play when they make mistakes and not bench them. I think Chevy and Maurice knew they would be lucky to get into the playoffs this year. Play the kids and let them learn. Call up Connor and Comrie and Roslo and have a look at them before the end of the year too. Dano sounds like he is about 10 days? away from returning. Does Maurice sit Thorbs when Staf plays tomorrow? Does he sit Petan or send him back down? Tanev Hutch and Mel in the pressbox right now (send Mel back down?) and Chiarot not far away from coming back too. Roster limits don't expand until March 1... Edited February 7, 20178 yr by Ducky Mek to Mel
February 7, 20178 yr comment_247335 2 hours ago, Brandon said: On Maurice's interview today he said they will have news on Myers in the next few days Not expecting good news anymore.
February 7, 20178 yr comment_247341 57 minutes ago, Ducky said: He also said that they are choosing to let the young players play when they make mistakes and not bench them. I think Chevy and Maurice knew they would be lucky to get into the playoffs this year. Play the kids and let them learn. Call up Connor and Comrie and Roslo and have a look at them before the end of the year too. Dano sounds like he is about 10 days? away from returning. Does Maurice sit Thorbs when Staf plays tomorrow? Does he sit Petan or send him back down? Tanev Hutch and Mel in the pressbox right now (send Mel back down?) and Chiarot not far away from coming back too. Roster limits don't expand until March 1... I repeatedly said I thought this season would be a step back season. But lack of effort has been the most damming thing. I wouldn't just call up young guys for the sake of it. There is still a development science and you don't throw it out the window because you have nothing to lose.
February 7, 20178 yr comment_247342 If the Jets are really developing young guys and letting them make mistakes then split up Laine and Ehlers so that we don't lose games because of it
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