February 19, 20169 yr comment_184352 They might but... i think they trade him. I think it's more likely he is traded but then signs back here in the off-season. I don't see Tampa being likely at all. What would they offer exactly? Drouin? for a rental? I don't think so.
February 19, 20169 yr Author comment_184360 I'd take Larsson and a 1st for Ladd in a second. Larsson would be a great add to the LHD prospects. There 1st should be around the low 20s. Chicago or Florida is where he is likely to end up but maybe the Caps want to add him for their run in this year's playoffs?
February 19, 20169 yr comment_184364 I really don't think Florida is a real option. Chicago or Anaheim are my guess. Unless some team just blows Chevy away with an offer, I see Chicago as being most likely, Anaheim or LA for that matter being next likely. Then again, Maybe they sign him to a new deal soon.
February 19, 20169 yr Author comment_184365 If they do, I hope it is for 5 years. His game has picked up quite a bit in the last 7 or so games.
February 19, 20169 yr comment_184378 Yeah but 7 games out of how many really, He's a good player, just don't think he's worth 6 million long term. 4 5 years sure but more than that? probably not.
February 19, 20169 yr Author comment_184399 5x5.5 is okay with me but I'd rather trade him. If they re-sign him, make it similar to Buff's where after two years, there are options to trade him. 7 7 6 4 3.5 If Ladd can give us the play for the next 2-3 years he did in the 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 seasons, it would be nice but can he? If we can get 2 good prospects or a first and a good prospect, I say trade him. I am comfortable with Chevy drafting a good player around the 20-30 mark in the draft. Send Staf and Thorbs somewhere for a first too. I know I'll catch flak for this but given the right deal, I'd trade Perreault as well. It would have to an overpay though.
February 19, 20169 yr comment_184400 5 minutes ago, Ducky said: 5x5.5 is okay with me but I'd rather trade him. If they re-sign him, make it similar to Buff's where after two years, there are options to trade him. 7 7 6 4 3.5 If Ladd can give us the play for the next 2-3 years he did in the 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 seasons, it would be nice but can he? If we can get 2 good prospects or a first and a good prospect, I say trade him. I am comfortable with Chevy drafting a good player around the 20-30 mark in the draft. Send Staf and Thorbs somewhere for a first too. I know I'll catch flak for this but given the right deal, I'd trade Perreault as well. It would have to an overpay though. Teams aren't as likely to trade for Stafford, Perreault and Thorburn as they aren't rentals and it means they need cap room next year and beyond. The salary ramifications make the trade much more complicated to make. There is a reason it is rare to see trades for these types of players at the deadline. Man does it get tiring reading the constant posts about trading the whole team this year. If you trade all the vets and replace them with picks and rookies next year, guess what? The team is going to suck again next year and the cycle will return where everyone wants to trade every ageing player again. Picks and prospects are nice but they don't payoff until 2 - 4 years down the road.
February 19, 20169 yr comment_184406 Team's corsi is pretty much where it was expected to be... mid-pack. PK and PP just couldn't get it together, Pavs and Hutch didn't steal games. Don't expect another losing season next year... but still would trade Ladd, Enstrom, Pavelec asap. Just hope that Stuart and Burmi don't take up roster spots next year just because of their contracts.
February 19, 20169 yr comment_184408 Id trade ladd because he's a UFA. If he signs for what the jets are willing to pay then so be it. I'm happy with that. But he's the cream of the crop for rentals so I'm content to trade him id trade pavs too because of the money savings and we have Helle. I think all things being equal if he was UFA the jets would not have him in their plns next year. So trade him if you can. Might be hard but Calgary is a decent option. But there are other goalies out there. Like Reimer. Pavs probably comes cheap. id keep Stafford. Scores goals. If he's not in the plan after next year then he's a decent rental chip at next years deadline. some people panic and want to trade everyone. Some guys are ripe for trading. I wouldn't trade Thorburn. I wouldn't be upset if we did either. But the intangibles he brings have value. and Perreault should be a major focus. Sheif, trouba, Perreault. Need to get deals with all of them. Don't want to look at trading Perreault at next years deadline. Re-up him asap.
February 19, 20169 yr Author comment_184413 I don't WANT to trade all the players I mentioned, not counting Ladd. I would given the right return though. Thorbs I wouldn't think twice about, get him and Stu off of the books. The thing about Perreault is, how much to keep him? Are we okay with paying a guy about 4 to 4 1/2 m per season for 4 years if the youngsters are going to push him down to the 3rd line. In 2017-2018 our top six could be Connor, Scheif, Wheeler, Ehlers, Armia, and Little. Will we be able to pay a 3rd liner that kind of cash? Id doubt it. Here's short list of RFAs that come up the year after Perreault's contract expires. Lemieux Morrissey Petan De Leo Kostalek Ehlers Lodge Comrie As well the following will be UFAs that year... Stuart Little Enstrom These three equal 13m of cap hit so if we aren't re-signing them, it shouldn't be a problem re-upping the youngsters.
February 20, 20169 yr comment_184417 55 minutes ago, Ducky said: I don't WANT to trade all the players I mentioned, not counting Ladd. I would given the right return though. Thorbs I wouldn't think twice about, get him and Stu off of the books. The thing about Perreault is, how much to keep him? Are we okay with paying a guy about 4 to 4 1/2 m per season for 4 years if the youngsters are going to push him down to the 3rd line. In 2017-2018 our top six could be Connor, Scheif, Wheeler, Ehlers, Armia, and Little. Will we be able to pay a 3rd liner that kind of cash? Id doubt it. Here's short list of RFAs that come up the year after Perreault's contract expires. Lemieux Morrissey Petan De Leo Kostalek Ehlers Lodge Comrie As well the following will be UFAs that year... Stuart Little Enstrom These three equal 13m of cap hit so if we aren't re-signing them, it shouldn't be a problem re-upping the youngsters. You dont trade your best players. The young guys are showing that they are not quite ready yet. We arnt winning games. They need these guys to learn from. Its really stupid to start trading for picks and prospects when the ones we have havent even learned to play in the NHL yet. Do you not see Maurice changing his lines during games n putting the vets back on the ice together? There is a reason he does it and it has nothing to do with skill. Hate to tell you this but we arnt sellers and we arnt buyers and we wont tank. That will not be the message sent to the players. Big name players that will be moved? Ladd...Pav... maybe throw in a Postma. But we wont be moving players to just move players. Draft and develop. You want Trouba gone and hes like 21. Hes been around all of 3 seasons and is a kid and you say thats it hes as good as he will get. Thats just krazy and not a way to build a team. All that said.... Chevy is building a team the hard way without a doubt. You need to balance the vets with the kids and then you need to sign the kids to contracts that are friendly to the next ones that come up. Its the hard way of doing things but its also the way to build a soild team not just now but for the future. Drafting players 8th or whatever is not a bad thing like many think. Fill your system with them while building our base is a pretty good idea. Ill take this way of building before how Minny is doing any day. They did what you are saying we should do. Edited February 20, 20169 yr by New_Earth_Mud
February 20, 20169 yr Author comment_184428 Who wants Trouba gone? Also, did you read the first line of the post??? "I don't WANT to trade all the players I mentioned, not counting Ladd."
February 20, 20169 yr comment_184429 Wheeler Buff Little. Trouba Scheifs Ehlers Armia are the only real untouchables on the roster right now. The rest are pretty easily replaced in my opinion. Lol. Intangibles. Cmon. What does that mean even.
February 20, 20169 yr comment_184432 1 hour ago, Ducky said: Who wants Trouba gone? Also, did you read the first line of the post??? "I don't WANT to trade all the players I mentioned, not counting Ladd." Sry i miss read the posts i guess.
February 20, 20169 yr comment_184433 1 hour ago, Goalie said: Wheeler Buff Little. Trouba Scheifs Ehlers Armia are the only real untouchables on the roster right now. The rest are pretty easily replaced in my opinion. Lol. Intangibles. Cmon. What does that mean even. You jus trade for the sake of trading then? Pretty sure this aint a video game Edited February 20, 20169 yr by New_Earth_Mud
February 20, 20169 yr comment_184441 I don't see why trading depth pieces who aren't going to get better or who aren't really doing anything right now hurts us. If teams want Thor stafford Burmi... why not trade them. They aren't part of the future really. 9 or 10 guys still on this team from the 2011 roster. Change needs to happen. You can't just come back every season with the same exact roster and get better. We are bottom 4 in the league. The team isn't good enough. That's the bottom line Edited February 20, 20169 yr by Goalie
February 20, 20169 yr Author comment_184444 The Jets are integrating quite a bit of youth and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. I love the Jets' plan of stockpiling picks and prospects and when they are good enough to contend, they have these assets to trade for piece(s) they think they need to push them over the top. It is hard as fans because we want to win now and we want to win every year. Read almost any article on young players and prospects and the Jets are either #1 or #2. Think about this for a second.....kinda off topic... If Chevy somehow got Hamonic without trading any of our D men this off-season...re-signed Ladd to 5.8m per year, bridged Trouba and Scheifele at 3.5 and Armia and Lowry at 1.75, and signed Connor to 1m, we could have this lineup next year for (if my math is correct) 71.245... Ladd 5.8 Little 4.7 Armia 1.75 Ehlers 1 Scheif 3.5 Wheeler 5.6 Connor 1 Perreault 3 Staf 4.35 Lowry 1.75 Copp 0.93 Burmi 1.55 (Lemieux 1) spare Trouba 3.5 Buff 7.6 Enstrom 5.75 Hamonic 3.84 Morrissey 1 Myers 5.5 ( Postma 0.9 Stu 2.625) spares Helle .7 Pavs 3.9 This lineup will get you into the playoffs and only adds Connor and Morrissey. Edited February 20, 20169 yr by Ducky
February 20, 20169 yr comment_184446 Trade Ladd... just because he leaves the team doesn't mean he will automatically sign with whoever he goes to. If they really miss him they can sign him in July.
February 20, 20169 yr Author comment_184447 His price will be driven up with the competition in the off-season.
February 20, 20169 yr comment_184453 Cap is gonna go down quite a bit. Not sure 30 year Olds will get big money big term deals
February 20, 20169 yr comment_184454 13 hours ago, Goalie said: Wheeler Buff Little. Trouba Scheifs Ehlers Armia are the only real untouchables on the roster right now. The rest are pretty easily replaced in my opinion. Lol. Intangibles. Cmon. What does that mean even. It means being a consistently supportive team member especially in rough times, it means having a genuine presence in the community where you still go to the children's hospital even when you're dead tired and not because you're told too but you want too, it means appreciation for getting paid well for a sport a lot of us love playing and watching, it means committing too and acting on the system the coach has implemented making the necessary individual sacrifices/changes that's required, it means, like any profession, having a high level of emotional intelligence that can't be seen by shooting a puck into a net (see Evander Kane as an example), etc. I can guarantee that if you took all the multi talented yet narcissistic type players and put them all on the same team, dysfunctional and losses will follow. So yes other things than pure skill is what scouts, coaches and general managers look for, guaranteed.
February 21, 20169 yr comment_184557 this might indicate that Gary is hearing something to this effect. But I think that's too much.
February 21, 20169 yr comment_184558 You have to read his entire series of tweets in context. He's talking about how Ladd is finally starting to play "normally" again, and wondering if the lingering effects of his off season surgery are wearing off and he's back to his old self. Saying that he'll hit 20 goals again this year, making him very valuable, both on the market and to the Jets. Purely speculating on his value now...
February 21, 20169 yr comment_184560 Hard to commit that kind of money to a guy because he's playing better the last few games while the jets still lose. Will Ladd's legacy as captain be that he tried really hard every night and the jets never won a thing?
February 21, 20169 yr comment_184561 Ladd is a fantastic..... 2nd or 3rd line guy. Not worth the 6 million and clearly he's diminishing already.
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