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  • WBBFanWest
    WBBFanWest

    Trick question 17to85 because the answer is our starting Offensive Coodinator

  • BomberBall
    BomberBall

    I would have to say Picard, unfortunately.

  • I'm going to challenge MOS on something he said on the Coach's show. He said the centre's snaps were fine. That's not the worst complaint I have with Picard, but it's a start. Picard himself, hasn't s

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Bucknor and it's not even a question in my mind, only places I'd put as contenders are Picard and which ever of Greaves or Neufeld you'd call the starter now. 

 

Hard to really avoid putting the title on anyone not on the o-line.  Removing Bucknor would have a lesser impact in the game than removing Picard or Neufeld.

 

But that's as I said before a function of an attention grabbing spot vs. a spot that you can traditionally hide a weaker player in. Doesn't mean the guy in the hidden spot is better, just that it's less obvious on a play to play basis. I also believe it's a function of the OL struggling as a group where as the secondary outside of Bucknor is pretty ******* good. 

 

 

"Traditionally" maybe you do hide a weaker player at Bucknor's position, but does that put him in the weakest player category by default?  I'll concede that Picard is in a more obvious, and more scrutinized position, but his gaffes have been more costly to the team than anything that Bucknor has done. 

comment_144042

 

 

 

Bucknor and it's not even a question in my mind, only places I'd put as contenders are Picard and which ever of Greaves or Neufeld you'd call the starter now. 

 

Hard to really avoid putting the title on anyone not on the o-line.  Removing Bucknor would have a lesser impact in the game than removing Picard or Neufeld.

 

But that's as I said before a function of an attention grabbing spot vs. a spot that you can traditionally hide a weaker player in. Doesn't mean the guy in the hidden spot is better, just that it's less obvious on a play to play basis. I also believe it's a function of the OL struggling as a group where as the secondary outside of Bucknor is pretty ******* good. 

 

 

"Traditionally" maybe you do hide a weaker player at Bucknor's position, but does that put him in the weakest player category by default?  I'll concede that Picard is in a more obvious, and more scrutinized position, but his gaffes have been more costly to the team than anything that Bucknor has done. 

 

Again, I come back to "If Bucknor is one of our worst players, then this team is pretty good!" .....Bucknor is just fine, and last year (at times) we raved about his work.

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comment_144055

 

 

 

Bucknor and it's not even a question in my mind, only places I'd put as contenders are Picard and which ever of Greaves or Neufeld you'd call the starter now. 

 

Hard to really avoid putting the title on anyone not on the o-line.  Removing Bucknor would have a lesser impact in the game than removing Picard or Neufeld.

 

But that's as I said before a function of an attention grabbing spot vs. a spot that you can traditionally hide a weaker player in. Doesn't mean the guy in the hidden spot is better, just that it's less obvious on a play to play basis. I also believe it's a function of the OL struggling as a group where as the secondary outside of Bucknor is pretty ******* good. 

 

 

"Traditionally" maybe you do hide a weaker player at Bucknor's position, but does that put him in the weakest player category by default?  I'll concede that Picard is in a more obvious, and more scrutinized position, but his gaffes have been more costly to the team than anything that Bucknor has done. 

 

Really? Cause Bucknor getting picked on has lead to a bunch of TD and 2 point converts being given up. The guy was **** last year too but he made a lot of tackles so people mistakenly thought that was good. No it just means teams were picking on him. 

comment_144056

 

 

 

 

Bucknor and it's not even a question in my mind, only places I'd put as contenders are Picard and which ever of Greaves or Neufeld you'd call the starter now. 

 

Hard to really avoid putting the title on anyone not on the o-line.  Removing Bucknor would have a lesser impact in the game than removing Picard or Neufeld.

 

But that's as I said before a function of an attention grabbing spot vs. a spot that you can traditionally hide a weaker player in. Doesn't mean the guy in the hidden spot is better, just that it's less obvious on a play to play basis. I also believe it's a function of the OL struggling as a group where as the secondary outside of Bucknor is pretty ******* good. 

 

 

"Traditionally" maybe you do hide a weaker player at Bucknor's position, but does that put him in the weakest player category by default?  I'll concede that Picard is in a more obvious, and more scrutinized position, but his gaffes have been more costly to the team than anything that Bucknor has done. 

 

Really? Cause Bucknor getting picked on has lead to a bunch of TD and 2 point converts being given up. The guy was **** last year too but he made a lot of tackles so people mistakenly thought that was good. No it just means teams were picking on him. 

 

You don't know enough to know if that's true or not.....not that that ever stops you :)

comment_144062

 

 

 

 

Bucknor and it's not even a question in my mind, only places I'd put as contenders are Picard and which ever of Greaves or Neufeld you'd call the starter now. 

 

Hard to really avoid putting the title on anyone not on the o-line.  Removing Bucknor would have a lesser impact in the game than removing Picard or Neufeld.

 

But that's as I said before a function of an attention grabbing spot vs. a spot that you can traditionally hide a weaker player in. Doesn't mean the guy in the hidden spot is better, just that it's less obvious on a play to play basis. I also believe it's a function of the OL struggling as a group where as the secondary outside of Bucknor is pretty ******* good. 

 

 

"Traditionally" maybe you do hide a weaker player at Bucknor's position, but does that put him in the weakest player category by default?  I'll concede that Picard is in a more obvious, and more scrutinized position, but his gaffes have been more costly to the team than anything that Bucknor has done. 

 

Really? Cause Bucknor getting picked on has lead to a bunch of TD and 2 point converts being given up. The guy was **** last year too but he made a lot of tackles so people mistakenly thought that was good. No it just means teams were picking on him. 

 

 

Clueless

comment_144064

 

 

 

 

Bucknor and it's not even a question in my mind, only places I'd put as contenders are Picard and which ever of Greaves or Neufeld you'd call the starter now. 

 

Hard to really avoid putting the title on anyone not on the o-line.  Removing Bucknor would have a lesser impact in the game than removing Picard or Neufeld.

 

But that's as I said before a function of an attention grabbing spot vs. a spot that you can traditionally hide a weaker player in. Doesn't mean the guy in the hidden spot is better, just that it's less obvious on a play to play basis. I also believe it's a function of the OL struggling as a group where as the secondary outside of Bucknor is pretty ******* good. 

 

 

"Traditionally" maybe you do hide a weaker player at Bucknor's position, but does that put him in the weakest player category by default?  I'll concede that Picard is in a more obvious, and more scrutinized position, but his gaffes have been more costly to the team than anything that Bucknor has done. 

 

Really? Cause Bucknor getting picked on has lead to a bunch of TD and 2 point converts being given up. The guy was **** last year too but he made a lot of tackles so people mistakenly thought that was good. No it just means teams were picking on him. 

 

Kinda hard to put blame a single player for some of that stuff without examples.

comment_144065

 

 

 

 

 

Bucknor and it's not even a question in my mind, only places I'd put as contenders are Picard and which ever of Greaves or Neufeld you'd call the starter now. 

 

Hard to really avoid putting the title on anyone not on the o-line.  Removing Bucknor would have a lesser impact in the game than removing Picard or Neufeld.

 

But that's as I said before a function of an attention grabbing spot vs. a spot that you can traditionally hide a weaker player in. Doesn't mean the guy in the hidden spot is better, just that it's less obvious on a play to play basis. I also believe it's a function of the OL struggling as a group where as the secondary outside of Bucknor is pretty ******* good. 

 

 

"Traditionally" maybe you do hide a weaker player at Bucknor's position, but does that put him in the weakest player category by default?  I'll concede that Picard is in a more obvious, and more scrutinized position, but his gaffes have been more costly to the team than anything that Bucknor has done. 

 

Really? Cause Bucknor getting picked on has lead to a bunch of TD and 2 point converts being given up. The guy was **** last year too but he made a lot of tackles so people mistakenly thought that was good. No it just means teams were picking on him. 

 

 

Clueless

 

 

Alicia Silverstone.

comment_144068

The entire o-line has once again been a steaming pile of hot garbage.  It is hard to pick between Greaves, Picard and Neufeld right now, though I think Chungh is starting to also show his rookie-ness.  I wish we could find four decent NI OL (including an NI tackle).  Other teams seem to be able to do it.  Why can't we?

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comment_144078

 

 

 

 

 

Bucknor and it's not even a question in my mind, only places I'd put as contenders are Picard and which ever of Greaves or Neufeld you'd call the starter now. 

 

Hard to really avoid putting the title on anyone not on the o-line.  Removing Bucknor would have a lesser impact in the game than removing Picard or Neufeld.

 

But that's as I said before a function of an attention grabbing spot vs. a spot that you can traditionally hide a weaker player in. Doesn't mean the guy in the hidden spot is better, just that it's less obvious on a play to play basis. I also believe it's a function of the OL struggling as a group where as the secondary outside of Bucknor is pretty ******* good. 

 

 

"Traditionally" maybe you do hide a weaker player at Bucknor's position, but does that put him in the weakest player category by default?  I'll concede that Picard is in a more obvious, and more scrutinized position, but his gaffes have been more costly to the team than anything that Bucknor has done. 

 

Really? Cause Bucknor getting picked on has lead to a bunch of TD and 2 point converts being given up. The guy was **** last year too but he made a lot of tackles so people mistakenly thought that was good. No it just means teams were picking on him. 

 

You don't know enough to know if that's true or not.....not that that ever stops you :)

 

I could just have blind faith that the coaches are infallible. That always works right? Never been a coach made wrong decisions in the past right?

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comment_144087

 

You don't know enough to know if that's true or not.....not that that ever stops you :)

 

I could just have blind faith that the coaches are infallible. That always works right? Never been a coach made wrong decisions in the past right?

 

That's not a defense to you not knowing what you're talking about.

 

it is when you've been around for the entire debate

comment_144093

It hard to single out a DB when you don't know the call on the field. Just because the guy who catches the ball/scores is the guy bucknor lines up in front of, doesn't mean it was his assignment that play. There are so many variables to consider it's almost impossible to know as a fan. Saying that though, I do believe Bucknor is the weak link in the secondary, but not the biggest weakness on the team or even the Defence.

comment_144111

The entire o-line has once again been a steaming pile of hot garbage.  It is hard to pick between Greaves, Picard and Neufeld right now, though I think Chungh is starting to also show his rookie-ness.  I wish we could find four decent NI OL (including an NI tackle).  Other teams seem to be able to do it.  Why can't we?

I've never played offensive line nor coached it but I'm curious that when it comes to OL's poor play, there is usually no mention of the OL coach and his accountability. Is the problem with poor OL performance always/usually just talent?

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comment_144115

Bucknors really looked pretty damn good at times this year... can't say that for the OL. Particularly the center and right guard spots.

but is that a function of the entire interior of the OL being weak compared to a strong secondary with one weak spot? Lord knows no one can tell what is happening on the OL either. I stand by my claims that because the OL has been such a sore spot for this team people just automatically zero in on it where as the secondary  outside of that one spot is actually very good. I'd take the other 4 guys and stack them up against anyones secondary. 

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