November 16, 201410 yr comment_94926 Because next season the Bombers are going to still be looking at 2 americans 3 canadians on the offensive line, for that group to get better it's primarily the americans who need to be better. So take the best NI in the draft so we can get another starter somewhere. Hell if we're picking by need for NIs I say we need a defensive lineman more than we need an offensive lineman given the current configuration of the team and where NIs play. If we get our two wayward NI draft picks who are pining away down south to come home, everything changes
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94932 The age old debate... Should a team draft based on ability as in best player available or need? I always say need as we have to build a foundation first. Until we get our OL right this team is going nowhere. A receiver can't catch the football if his qb is on his back constantly. Our need is clearly OL & that supercedes drafting someone purely on ability. I don't like it as we still need skilled Canadian players but that's the way it is. should you not build a base by taking the most talent and then building around them? If for example this team uses 3 NIs at receiver then we can play 3 americans on the OL quite easily. This idea that you MUST have 4 or 5 canadians on the OL is outdated thinking and needs to end. Sorry, disagree. We need a great OL to win. We have to make good picks when we do.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94933 Because next season the Bombers are going to still be looking at 2 americans 3 canadians on the offensive line, for that group to get better it's primarily the americans who need to be better. So take the best NI in the draft so we can get another starter somewhere. Hell if we're picking by need for NIs I say we need a defensive lineman more than we need an offensive lineman given the current configuration of the team and where NIs play.If we get our two wayward NI draft picks who are pining away down south to come home, everything changes Yep Bilukidi and Mulumba are game changers.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94945 Because next season the Bombers are going to still be looking at 2 americans 3 canadians on the offensive line, for that group to get better it's primarily the americans who need to be better. So take the best NI in the draft so we can get another starter somewhere. Hell if we're picking by need for NIs I say we need a defensive lineman more than we need an offensive lineman given the current configuration of the team and where NIs play.If we get our two wayward NI draft picks who are pining away down south to come home, everything changes Yep Bilukidi and Mulumba are game changers. They would definitely help us catch up with the rest of the league but still lots of work to be done.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95092 If/when we get to the point where we have 7 good NI starters, then we can afford to take the best player. Until then put me on the best O lineman, not best player side. Folks around here want the Bombers to pick Demski, who they consider the best player. They don't seem to understand that good teams a built from the lines out. We've had a bunch of GM's who followed the best player, in their minds, strategy and it's only worked once with Muamba. Meanwhile, we've had a poor O line for years. Your post makes no sense. How do you get 7 good NI starters if you don't take the best player available (with consideration to availability around the NFL factored in)? Having a bunch of OL who might be ready to play in 2-3 years (right when they become free agents) won't help us. Gotta draft and develop those mid-round guys into being players. How many 1st round picks on Calgary's OL or Saskatchewan's? We desperately need players who can play now regardless of position. That is how the good teams approach the draft.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95094 Im in agreement of build the lines first and foremost.. Unless there is an absolute stud at a "non-traditional" roles... I simply dont know enough about demski but i do think we can grab him and a very good prospect at 11 and later..
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95097 If/when we get to the point where we have 7 good NI starters, then we can afford to take the best player. Until then put me on the best O lineman, not best player side. Folks around here want the Bombers to pick Demski, who they consider the best player. They don't seem to understand that good teams a built from the lines out. We've had a bunch of GM's who followed the best player, in their minds, strategy and it's only worked once with Muamba. Meanwhile, we've had a poor O line for years. Your post makes no sense. How do you get 7 good NI starters if you don't take the best player available (with consideration to availability around the NFL factored in)? Having a bunch of OL who might be ready to play in 2-3 years won't help us. Gotta draft and develop those mid-round guys into being players. How many 1st round picks on Calgary's OL or Saskatchewan's? We desperately need players who can play now regardless of position. Draft 1 OL with the first overall and pencil him in as a 2nd year starter. Draft 1 OL later in the draft and HOPE he will eventually turn into something down the line. Use the mid-rounds to bolster the rest of the NI roster. Gotta use your top picks to upgrade where you need to and for the Bombers, that's O lineman.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95099 Im in agreement of build the lines first and foremost.. Unless there is an absolute stud at a "non-traditional" roles... I simply don't know enough about Demski but i do think we can grab him and a very good prospect at 11 and later.. Isn't that a little young to be drafted?
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95101 If/when we get to the point where we have 7 good NI starters, then we can afford to take the best player. Until then put me on the best O lineman, not best player side. Folks around here want the Bombers to pick Demski, who they consider the best player. They don't seem to understand that good teams a built from the lines out. We've had a bunch of GM's who followed the best player, in their minds, strategy and it's only worked once with Muamba. Meanwhile, we've had a poor O line for years. Your post makes no sense. How do you get 7 good NI starters if you don't take the best player available (with consideration to availability around the NFL factored in)? Having a bunch of OL who might be ready to play in 2-3 years won't help us. Gotta draft and develop those mid-round guys into being players. How many 1st round picks on Calgary's OL or Saskatchewan's? We desperately need players who can play now regardless of position. Draft 1 OL with the first overall and pencil him in as a 2nd year starter. Draft 1 OL later in the draft and HOPE he will eventually turn into something down the line. Use the mid-rounds to bolster the rest of the NI roster. Gotta use your top picks to upgrade where you need to and for the Bombers, that's O lineman. That's how you end up with no top end Canadians. It's the Taman plan, look at the Riders roster, look at what he did here. They are SOL when Getzlaf and Foley are done. Might as well trade picks for good players if you aren't going to take the best player in the draft.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95102 If/when we get to the point where we have 7 good NI starters, then we can afford to take the best player. Until then put me on the best O lineman, not best player side. Folks around here want the Bombers to pick Demski, who they consider the best player. They don't seem to understand that good teams a built from the lines out. We've had a bunch of GM's who followed the best player, in their minds, strategy and it's only worked once with Muamba. Meanwhile, we've had a poor O line for years. Your post makes no sense. How do you get 7 good NI starters if you don't take the best player available (with consideration to availability around the NFL factored in)? Having a bunch of OL who might be ready to play in 2-3 years won't help us. Gotta draft and develop those mid-round guys into being players. How many 1st round picks on Calgary's OL or Saskatchewan's? We desperately need players who can play now regardless of position. Draft 1 OL with the first overall and pencil him in as a 2nd year starter. Draft 1 OL later in the draft and HOPE he will eventually turn into something down the line. Use the mid-rounds to bolster the rest of the NI roster. Gotta use your top picks to upgrade where you need to and for the Bombers, that's O lineman. That's how you end up with no top end Canadians. It's the Taman plan, look at the Riders roster, look at what he did here. They are SOL when Getzlaf and Foley are done. Might as well trade picks for good players if you aren't going to take the best player in the draft. It's actually how you end up with a top O line, which in turn makes life easier for your QB, RB, and receivers.
November 17, 201410 yr Author comment_95107 If/when we get to the point where we have 7 good NI starters, then we can afford to take the best player. Until then put me on the best O lineman, not best player side. Folks around here want the Bombers to pick Demski, who they consider the best player. They don't seem to understand that good teams a built from the lines out. We've had a bunch of GM's who followed the best player, in their minds, strategy and it's only worked once with Muamba. Meanwhile, we've had a poor O line for years. Your post makes no sense. How do you get 7 good NI starters if you don't take the best player available (with consideration to availability around the NFL factored in)? Having a bunch of OL who might be ready to play in 2-3 years won't help us. Gotta draft and develop those mid-round guys into being players. How many 1st round picks on Calgary's OL or Saskatchewan's? We desperately need players who can play now regardless of position. Draft 1 OL with the first overall and pencil him in as a 2nd year starter. Draft 1 OL later in the draft and HOPE he will eventually turn into something down the line. Use the mid-rounds to bolster the rest of the NI roster. Gotta use your top picks to upgrade where you need to and for the Bombers, that's O lineman. If the OL players in the Draft are weak in general does your one way to Draft to success still work? The reason we have been weak is because of a lack of elite Cdns not just Cdn oline men.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95110 If/when we get to the point where we have 7 good NI starters, then we can afford to take the best player. Until then put me on the best O lineman, not best player side. Folks around here want the Bombers to pick Demski, who they consider the best player. They don't seem to understand that good teams a built from the lines out. We've had a bunch of GM's who followed the best player, in their minds, strategy and it's only worked once with Muamba. Meanwhile, we've had a poor O line for years. Your post makes no sense. How do you get 7 good NI starters if you don't take the best player available (with consideration to availability around the NFL factored in)? Having a bunch of OL who might be ready to play in 2-3 years won't help us. Gotta draft and develop those mid-round guys into being players. How many 1st round picks on Calgary's OL or Saskatchewan's? We desperately need players who can play now regardless of position. Draft 1 OL with the first overall and pencil him in as a 2nd year starter. Draft 1 OL later in the draft and HOPE he will eventually turn into something down the line. Use the mid-rounds to bolster the rest of the NI roster. Gotta use your top picks to upgrade where you need to and for the Bombers, that's O lineman. So in 2011 we take MItchell first overall and Swiston later and hope he turns out.... how would that have worked out for this teams offensive line? Your idea is ridiculous as JBR has explained. When you are weak in all areas when it comes to NI depth you don't get picky. You take the best guy available.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95118 If/when we get to the point where we have 7 good NI starters, then we can afford to take the best player. Until then put me on the best O lineman, not best player side. Folks around here want the Bombers to pick Demski, who they consider the best player. They don't seem to understand that good teams a built from the lines out. We've had a bunch of GM's who followed the best player, in their minds, strategy and it's only worked once with Muamba. Meanwhile, we've had a poor O line for years. Your post makes no sense. How do you get 7 good NI starters if you don't take the best player available (with consideration to availability around the NFL factored in)? Having a bunch of OL who might be ready to play in 2-3 years won't help us. Gotta draft and develop those mid-round guys into being players. How many 1st round picks on Calgary's OL or Saskatchewan's? We desperately need players who can play now regardless of position. Draft 1 OL with the first overall and pencil him in as a 2nd year starter. Draft 1 OL later in the draft and HOPE he will eventually turn into something down the line. Use the mid-rounds to bolster the rest of the NI roster. Gotta use your top picks to upgrade where you need to and for the Bombers, that's O lineman. That's how you end up with no top end Canadians. It's the Taman plan, look at the Riders roster, look at what he did here. They are SOL when Getzlaf and Foley are done. Might as well trade picks for good players if you aren't going to take the best player in the draft. lol, that's how you end up starting 6 or 7 top ones on your O & D lines, the rest don't matter, they are plumbers and teamsters which is exactly where they belong.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95120 I'd take Demski for sure, But i'm not convinced he's still there when we pick, I think it's likely he goes 1st overall to Ottawa.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95121 I'm not talking about every draft and I don't think there's only one way to draft every year. I'm talking about this year. If we had 3 or 4 good starting O lineman, then drafting the best player regardless of position would make some sense. We don't so it doesn't. There are very few drafts that don't have some good O lineman in them. We get to pick #2, so we should get the 2nd best O lineman again this year. Assuming we choose correctly, and we haven't done that in the past, we get an upgrade to one of, if not THE worst, group we have.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95125 Take the best player available. If it's Demski, take him. If it's an Oline, take him. This having to take this guy or this position crap is part of the reason we are what we are right now Its not like we have a bunch of all star canadians anywhere on the roster.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95130 I'm not talking about every draft and I don't think there's only one way to draft every year. I'm talking about this year. If we had 3 or 4 good starting O lineman, then drafting the best player regardless of position would make some sense. We don't so it doesn't. There are very few drafts that don't have some good O lineman in them. We get to pick #2, so we should get the 2nd best O lineman again this year. Assuming we choose correctly, and we haven't done that in the past, we get an upgrade to one of, if not THE worst, group we have. But this team has a weak group of starters on defense as well, and the one receiver who is a multidimensional threat can't stay healthy... they need help everywhere.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95132 1st and foremost, if it can be determined that our 1st pick can start, then that's who we should grab. Offence, defence, doesn't matter. We need to be netting more NIs who can play, right from starters to quality backups. Keep our picks and make them count.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95135 I think that plays into it, if there's an oline who could be worked into plays this year and next year be a starter you go with him. Otherwise you go with Demski, can Demski get open quick enough to make our oline look better than it actually is? Is he a multidemsnional threat where he can do receiving and returning? Thank makes a difference as well
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95137 If/when we get to the point where we have 7 good NI starters, then we can afford to take the best player. Until then put me on the best O lineman, not best player side. Folks around here want the Bombers to pick Demski, who they consider the best player. They don't seem to understand that good teams a built from the lines out. We've had a bunch of GM's who followed the best player, in their minds, strategy and it's only worked once with Muamba. Meanwhile, we've had a poor O line for years. Your post makes no sense. How do you get 7 good NI starters if you don't take the best player available (with consideration to availability around the NFL factored in)? Having a bunch of OL who might be ready to play in 2-3 years won't help us. Gotta draft and develop those mid-round guys into being players. How many 1st round picks on Calgary's OL or Saskatchewan's? We desperately need players who can play now regardless of position. Draft 1 OL with the first overall and pencil him in as a 2nd year starter. Draft 1 OL later in the draft and HOPE he will eventually turn into something down the line. Use the mid-rounds to bolster the rest of the NI roster. Gotta use your top picks to upgrade where you need to and for the Bombers, that's O lineman. That's how you end up with no top end Canadians. It's the Taman plan, look at the Riders roster, look at what he did here. They are SOL when Getzlaf and Foley are done. Might as well trade picks for good players if you aren't going to take the best player in the draft. lol, that's how you end up starting 6 or 7 top ones on your O & D lines, the rest don't matter, they are plumbers and teamsters which is exactly where they belong. You're right. Did you vote for Pencer as our top OL this year? Just use those first rounders on offensive linemen and count the wins!
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95138 Take the best player available. If it's Demski, take him. If it's an Oline, take him. This having to take this guy or this position crap is part of the reason we are what we are right now Its not like we have a bunch of all star canadians anywhere on the roster. Obviously, you haven't been following the Bombers drafts. We used 1 high draft pick on Pencer (Stupid pick) and 1 on Goosen (TBD) in the last 6 years.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95147 Meanwhile In Calgary... Jones, Craighead, Lavertu & Bergman. It's not where you draft, it's who you draft.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95149 Take the best player available. If it's Demski, take him. If it's an Oline, take him. This having to take this guy or this position crap is part of the reason we are what we are right now Its not like we have a bunch of all star canadians anywhere on the roster. Obviously, you haven't been following the Bombers drafts. We used 1 high draft pick on Pencer (Stupid pick) and 1 on Goosen (TBD) in the last 6 years. and a bunch taken in the later rounds like every team does, what's your damn point?
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95151 It is possible that even if we draft Demski that we land a pretty good OL at 11.
November 17, 201410 yr comment_95152 Take the best player available. If it's Demski, take him. If it's an Oline, take him. This having to take this guy or this position crap is part of the reason we are what we are right now Its not like we have a bunch of all star canadians anywhere on the roster. Obviously, you haven't been following the Bombers drafts. We used 1 high draft pick on Pencer (Stupid pick) and 1 on Goosen (TBD) in the last 6 years. and a bunch taken in the later rounds like every team does, what's your damn point? That the high picks we had weren't good.
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