Posted November 16, 201410 yr comment_94827 I don't see how we skip past Demski if he's there when we Draft, I know we need oline help but this guy is a beast and dynamic as well...Imo we have to grab this guy if we get the chance
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94829 You need to consider the competition. He's not going to look as "dynamic" as look like a "beast" in the CFL. He's talented for sure but I still think we need to go OL first overall. Goodrich should provide similar talent as Demski.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94830 Unfortunately for us we are simply not in a position to pass up on an OL. Unless, Walters/Goveia etc. really don't like the quality or attitude of either of the top 2 OL, or feel that no good ones won't bolt for the NFL then there is not a very high probability of us taking Demski. He's good....we have different needs that are near desperation levels.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94831 Unfortunately for us we are simply not in a position to pass up on an OL. Unless, Walters/Goveia etc. really don't like the quality or attitude of either of the top 2 OL, or feel that no good ones won't bolt for the NFL then there is not a very high probability of us taking Demski. He's good....we have different needs that are near desperation levels. Yep, once the OL is solidified, then we can start looking at other positions in the first round. If we get a gem in this upcoming draft, 2016 might be the year we can start looking at other positions in the first round.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94836 I think there's enough O-line in this draft to take one at 11. If the Bombers plan on 3 Canadians at Rec. than they'll need Demski
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94837 Take the best player. The "we need an OL too badly" would have landed the team Mitchell instead of Muamba a few years ago and how would that have worked out? If the receiver is the best guy available take him! With Watson not being all that durable a more explosive NI receiver would be a good option for this team to be developing.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94840 An interesting thread. If the Bombers are going to draft Demski, who looks like a one in a generation player, and go with three NI receivers, then who would the import receiver be? Denmark or ? The NI receivers we have are at least adequate with decent depth, and Demski could turn out to be another Kito Poblah. There are a lot of "sure things" who have turned out to be complete busts or just average, so maybe if we draft Demski, he might be very good trade bait for a premier O-lineman who is already established as a dominant starter. Who that might be I do not know.
November 16, 201410 yr Author comment_94847 Good lord, talk about not learning from past mistakes. Your dealing with a player that is arguably the most dynamic player in CIS Imo he is the best player out there and homegrown to boot when did we make that mistake in the past?
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94851 Take the best player. The "we need an OL too badly" would have landed the team Mitchell instead of Muamba a few years ago and how would that have worked out? If the receiver is the best guy available take him! With Watson not being all that durable a more explosive NI receiver would be a good option for this team to be developing. I've always been iffy about drafting Demski - I can't stand homerism when applied to the draft - but I'm starting to come around. I honestly think that if we fixed our Imports along the line, that our NI talent would suffice, especially with Goosen already in the mix. Take the best available player at number #2 - taking into account NFL interest.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94852 An interesting thread. If the Bombers are going to draft Demski, who looks like a one in a generation player, and go with three NI receivers, then who would the import receiver be? Denmark or ? The NI receivers we have are at least adequate with decent depth, and Demski could turn out to be another Kito Poblah. There are a lot of "sure things" who have turned out to be complete busts or just average, so maybe if we draft Demski, he might be very good trade bait for a premier O-lineman who is already established as a dominant starter. Who that might be I do not know. Keeping in mind that Demski would not necessarily (and probably wouldn't be) a starter. I would be rotating him in over the course of the year to see where he fits. Talent and developmentally aside, it's usually a terrible plan to start someone coming from the CIS from Day 1 - as their body is not used to a schedule more than twice as long as the CIS calendar.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94859 The age old debate... Should a team draft based on ability as in best player available or need? I always say need as we have to build a foundation first. Until we get our OL right this team is going nowhere. A receiver can't catch the football if his qb is on his back constantly. Our need is clearly OL & that supercedes drafting someone purely on ability. I don't like it as we still need skilled Canadian players but that's the way it is.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94861 The age old debate... Should a team draft based on ability as in best player available or need? I always say need as we have to build a foundation first. Until we get our OL right this team is going nowhere. A receiver can't catch the football if his qb is on his back constantly. Our need is clearly OL & that supercedes drafting someone purely on ability. I don't like it as we still need skilled Canadian players but that's the way it is. should you not build a base by taking the most talent and then building around them? If for example this team uses 3 NIs at receiver then we can play 3 americans on the OL quite easily. This idea that you MUST have 4 or 5 canadians on the OL is outdated thinking and needs to end.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94862 The age old debate... Should a team draft based on ability as in best player available or need? I always say need as we have to build a foundation first. Until we get our OL right this team is going nowhere. A receiver can't catch the football if his qb is on his back constantly. Our need is clearly OL & that supercedes drafting someone purely on ability. I don't like it as we still need skilled Canadian players but that's the way it is.should you not build a base by taking the most talent and then building around them? If for example this team uses 3 NIs at receiver then we can play 3 americans on the OL quite easily. This idea that you MUST have 4 or 5 canadians on the OL is outdated thinking and needs to end. Who said anything about 4 or 5? We're just trying to work towards starting 3 on a consistent basis.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94864 This team needs non imports who can step in and make an impact immediately. Best player available.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94865 Best player available. OL are always projects, the bust rate for taking the blue chip OL is fairly high.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94866 Best player available. OL are always projects, the bust rate for taking the blue chip OL is fairly high. Do you have any data to support this? I can think of a few early pick OL busts (Pencer, Mitchell) but I can't see it being "high".
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94867 I agree with taking the best player available, especially this draft year, which is supposed to be deep with good OL. Hopefully we can take care of finding a starting OL in FA.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94868 Add me to the "best player" contingent. Within reason though. Need can factor in
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94874 If/when we get to the point where we have 7 good NI starters, then we can afford to take the best player. Until then put me on the best O lineman, not best player side. Folks around here want the Bombers to pick Demski, who they consider the best player. They don't seem to understand that good teams a built from the lines out. We've had a bunch of GM's who followed the best player, in their minds, strategy and it's only worked once with Muamba. Meanwhile, we've had a poor O line for years.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94889 If/when we get to the point where we have 7 good NI starters, then we can afford to take the best player. Until then put me on the best O lineman, not best player side. Folks around here want the Bombers to pick Demski, who they consider the best player. They don't seem to understand that good teams a built from the lines out. We've had a bunch of GM's who followed the best player, in their minds, strategy and it's only worked once with Muamba. Meanwhile, we've had a poor O line for years. Terry, I can't believe that you would even have to explain this concept on a football site? I'd really like to hear why the majority doesn't agree, it should provide entertainment until training camp.
November 16, 201410 yr Author comment_94897 If/when we get to the point where we have 7 good NI starters, then we can afford to take the best player. Until then put me on the best O lineman, not best player side. Folks around here want the Bombers to pick Demski, who they consider the best player. They don't seem to understand that good teams a built from the lines out. We've had a bunch of GM's who followed the best player, in their minds, strategy and it's only worked once with Muamba. Meanwhile, we've had a poor O line for years. Terry, I can't believe that you would even have to explain this concept on a football site? I'd really like to hear why the majority doesn't agree, it should provide entertainment until training camp. Add me to that list, good thing we have Tburg here to explain the nuances of the game to the rest of us btw what's an oline again?
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94898 Because next season the Bombers are going to still be looking at 2 americans 3 canadians on the offensive line, for that group to get better it's primarily the americans who need to be better. So take the best NI in the draft so we can get another starter somewhere. Hell if we're picking by need for NIs I say we need a defensive lineman more than we need an offensive lineman given the current configuration of the team and where NIs play.
November 16, 201410 yr comment_94906 Because next season the Bombers are going to still be looking at 2 americans 3 canadians on the offensive line, for that group to get better it's primarily the americans who need to be better. So take the best NI in the draft so we can get another starter somewhere. Hell if we're picking by need for NIs I say we need a defensive lineman more than we need an offensive lineman given the current configuration of the team and where NIs play. Bravo, it's always 'next year' in the Peg, 24 of them and counting.
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