I think this is called "high risk, high reward" and the last big proponent was a rookie head coach we had named Jeff Reinbold. Not a history to inspire confidence.

Yikes...not even through mini camp and we are tossing the first coach under the bus for not being good enough. Typically Winnipeg reaction

To be completely fair though, a lot of us were throwing him under the bus before he was even officially hired.

Why on earth did we hire this guy? This has disaster written all over it.

Because he's O'Shea's buddy. This could be a real disaster in the making. 

No playbook? C'mon man.

The ones who are throwing around the word disaster are forgetting about last year's defence…now that was a disaster,

…and was overseen by a supposed defensive guru, Tim Burke.

if Walters can provide Ech's system witht the right people, I think this D will have a chance.

And of course, O'shea and Tracey should have throw their 2 cents to Ech also.

Afte all, O'shea played the D in his entire CFL career while Tracey authored one of the top D in CIS.

Great.  The Bombers have hired the Moe Norman of football.  I'm hoping O'Shea will contain this guy somewhat and not let him run wild.  The opposing players may not be able to recognize his defensive schemes at first but it'll only take opposing coaches a few games to exploit the weaknesses presented.  He thinks he's a mastermind but doesn't have a convincing record to prove it.

The ones who are throwing around the word disaster are forgetting about last year's defence…now that was a disaster,

…and was overseen by a supposed defensive guru, Tim Burke.

Except that it really wasn't. Burke was pretty hands off which was a problem many people had. The games where he did take a more active role the defense responded but instead he focussed on being just the head coach... not sure exactly what he did when he did that, but that's the official line. 

Maybe he meant he doesnt have a playBOOk.  His plays are on iPad's and everyone gets one.

So we go from worrying about players that often missed assignments within a defensive system to now having players having to digest, comprehend and execute a philosophical understanding of defence. Glad Etch isn't teaching at a med school somewhere.

Napkins, anyone???

Maybe he meant he doesnt have a playBOOk.  His plays are on iPad's and everyone gets one.

Yeah, that's what I said earlier in the thread but no one listened.

When he left Saskatchewan some of the defensive players commented that there was no playbook under Etch.

O'Shea was a defensive beast who played in etch's defenses and had success.. Why is everyone writing off the guy already? He's also had success in his own right...

Give him a chance to hang himself, don't string him up right off the hop.. Pessimistic attituders!

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Given his philosophy of athletes, you can essentially guess where his defensive schemes failed the last time he was a CFL DC in Saskatchewan from 2008-2010.

 

Rushing game, pass rush, turnovers - ranked in the bottom 3 of the league in each category.

 

On the flip side of that, his defences were very good in the passing game, ranking first over the average of the three seasons.

 

Sounds sort of like a Stubler Defense.

Maybe he meant he doesnt have a playBOOk.  His plays are on iPad's and everyone gets one.

 

They're replacing the whiteboards!

I don't hate the comments, honestly.

 

Confidence? Good.

Desire to be multiple? Crucial.

 

Definitely concerned what he means by no playbook, but I don't buy that anyways.  Maybe its not physically copied out page by page.  More concerned by how he intends to implement the scheme.

I don't hate the comments, honestly.

 

Confidence? Good.

Desire to be multiple? Crucial.

 

Definitely concerned what he means by no playbook, but I don't buy that anyways.  Maybe its not physically copied out page by page.  More concerned by how he intends to implement the scheme.

 

This will be the refreshing part for many people after Burke.  Burke's D is just vanilla, which is great when you have a defense full of all-stars in their prime, when we had guys who weren't winning battles snap after snap we'd get picked apart, when everyone was locked in it was a thing of beauty, like last season in Montreal or the Banjo Bowl, but over 18 games there was no mystery, so it was all left to executing perfectly.  Etcheverry's scheme will at least make a quarterback second guess their pre-snap reads mess up their timing, give us a chance if we can't field a dominant crew of players every week, some room for error so to speak.

Yikes those were some scary comments, I wonder who will replace him next year?

Over/under 10 games before he is let go?

 

The ones who are throwing around the word disaster are forgetting about last year's defence…now that was a disaster,

…and was overseen by a supposed defensive guru, Tim Burke.

Except that it really wasn't. Burke was pretty hands off which was a problem many people had. The games where he did take a more active role the defense responded but instead he focussed on being just the head coach... not sure exactly what he did when he did that, but that's the official line. 

 

 

Except what?

That it wasn't a disaster or that it wasn't overseen by Burke?

I don't know about you, but if I was a Head Coach, and had a reputation as a defensive specialist, I would be heavily involved in fixing or helping fix the problem.

The fact that he didn't doesn't make it less of a disaster.

 

My point is last year's defence was a disaster, but nobody should declare this year's D or new DC anything yet.

Gotta give the guy a chance before writing him off really.

 

He's good enough for O'shea, he's good enough for me.

 

I get everyone wanted Stubler but Stubler didnt want to come here.

 

Move on.

 

No need to throw etch under the bus just yet, It almost seems some want him to fail and that is just kind of assinine actually

 

Over/Under on how many games he lasts? In April? Seriously? How is that even possible to suggest that.

 

Gotta see what the  guy can do with THIS TEAM, not what he has done in the past, thats all irrelevant, it dont matter.

 

All that matters is what he does this year and really, its april so nobody has a clue just yet.

 

He could fail miserably, sure. Or the other option is, Our D could be quite good.

 

Not sure why everyone on these forums always go to the negative all the time.

 

Gonna be a long ass season if we throwing people under the bus in april already.

Yikes those were some scary comments, I wonder who will replace him next year?

Over/under 10 games before he is let go?

 

 

 da ****?

Goalie, the guy's body of work in the CFL speaks volumes & why there's more than just a little concern being voiced. Defense is all about structure. How can there be structure without a playbook? From his comments, he just seems oblivious to everything.

I'm as nervous about Etcheverry as anyone else, but let's not forget that he has had some success, including going to back-to-back Grey Cup finals in 2009 and 2010. That 2009 defence especially was not only effective but also exciting to watch. Yes his comments are bordering on insanity, but I'm willing to wait and see what he gives us.