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  • Yikes...not even through mini camp and we are tossing the first coach under the bus for not being good enough. Typically Winnipeg reaction

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    His comments scare the crap out of me.

  • To be completely fair though, a lot of us were throwing him under the bus before he was even officially hired.

comment_46788

Great.  The Bombers have hired the Moe Norman of football.  I'm hoping O'Shea will contain this guy somewhat and not let him run wild.  The opposing players may not be able to recognize his defensive schemes at first but it'll only take opposing coaches a few games to exploit the weaknesses presented.  He thinks he's a mastermind but doesn't have a convincing record to prove it.

comment_46792

The ones who are throwing around the word disaster are forgetting about last year's defence…now that was a disaster,

…and was overseen by a supposed defensive guru, Tim Burke.

Except that it really wasn't. Burke was pretty hands off which was a problem many people had. The games where he did take a more active role the defense responded but instead he focussed on being just the head coach... not sure exactly what he did when he did that, but that's the official line. 

comment_46811

Given his philosophy of athletes, you can essentially guess where his defensive schemes failed the last time he was a CFL DC in Saskatchewan from 2008-2010.

 

Rushing game, pass rush, turnovers - ranked in the bottom 3 of the league in each category.

 

On the flip side of that, his defences were very good in the passing game, ranking first over the average of the three seasons.

 

Sounds sort of like a Stubler Defense.

comment_46824

I don't hate the comments, honestly.

 

Confidence? Good.

Desire to be multiple? Crucial.

 

Definitely concerned what he means by no playbook, but I don't buy that anyways.  Maybe its not physically copied out page by page.  More concerned by how he intends to implement the scheme.

 

This will be the refreshing part for many people after Burke.  Burke's D is just vanilla, which is great when you have a defense full of all-stars in their prime, when we had guys who weren't winning battles snap after snap we'd get picked apart, when everyone was locked in it was a thing of beauty, like last season in Montreal or the Banjo Bowl, but over 18 games there was no mystery, so it was all left to executing perfectly.  Etcheverry's scheme will at least make a quarterback second guess their pre-snap reads mess up their timing, give us a chance if we can't field a dominant crew of players every week, some room for error so to speak.

comment_46834

 

The ones who are throwing around the word disaster are forgetting about last year's defence…now that was a disaster,

…and was overseen by a supposed defensive guru, Tim Burke.

Except that it really wasn't. Burke was pretty hands off which was a problem many people had. The games where he did take a more active role the defense responded but instead he focussed on being just the head coach... not sure exactly what he did when he did that, but that's the official line. 

 

 

Except what?

That it wasn't a disaster or that it wasn't overseen by Burke?

I don't know about you, but if I was a Head Coach, and had a reputation as a defensive specialist, I would be heavily involved in fixing or helping fix the problem.

The fact that he didn't doesn't make it less of a disaster.

 

My point is last year's defence was a disaster, but nobody should declare this year's D or new DC anything yet.

comment_46854

Gotta give the guy a chance before writing him off really.

 

He's good enough for O'shea, he's good enough for me.

 

I get everyone wanted Stubler but Stubler didnt want to come here.

 

Move on.

 

No need to throw etch under the bus just yet, It almost seems some want him to fail and that is just kind of assinine actually

 

Over/Under on how many games he lasts? In April? Seriously? How is that even possible to suggest that.

 

Gotta see what the  guy can do with THIS TEAM, not what he has done in the past, thats all irrelevant, it dont matter.

 

All that matters is what he does this year and really, its april so nobody has a clue just yet.

 

He could fail miserably, sure. Or the other option is, Our D could be quite good.

 

Not sure why everyone on these forums always go to the negative all the time.

 

Gonna be a long ass season if we throwing people under the bus in april already.

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I'm as nervous about Etcheverry as anyone else, but let's not forget that he has had some success, including going to back-to-back Grey Cup finals in 2009 and 2010. That 2009 defence especially was not only effective but also exciting to watch. Yes his comments are bordering on insanity, but I'm willing to wait and see what he gives us.

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