December 17, 201311 yr comment_33318 If stubler ends up here, I think MB and him provide a great complement to oshea... What worries me is that we haven't announced stubler yet if it turns out that we missed stubler - maybe walters isn't getting the job done... then I kind of wonder if MB is a consolation prize and we missed out on khari, etc Surprising the dickenson's name is not really mentioned in any rumours too MB, stubler and dickenson should give us a 500 season at least Just need a QB coach and new OL coach Dickenson already said he doesn't want to come to Winnipeg. So he's "not an issue" as he's been handled internally.
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33319 I am not crazy about the hire but he has had numerous top 4 offences.
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33320 If stubler ends up here, I think MB and him provide a great complement to oshea... What worries me is that we haven't announced stubler yet if it turns out that we missed stubler - maybe walters isn't getting the job done... then I kind of wonder if MB is a consolation prize and we missed out on khari, etc Surprising the dickenson's name is not really mentioned in any rumours too MB, stubler and dickenson should give us a 500 season at least Just need a QB coach and new OL coach Who says that Khari was anymore of a better choice at this point than MB? They're both consolation prizes.
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33321 If stubler ends up here, I think MB and him provide a great complement to oshea... What worries me is that we haven't announced stubler yet if it turns out that we missed stubler - maybe walters isn't getting the job done... then I kind of wonder if MB is a consolation prize and we missed out on khari, etc Surprising the dickenson's name is not really mentioned in any rumours too MB, stubler and dickenson should give us a 500 season at least Just need a QB coach and new OL coach Dickenson already said he doesn't want to come to Winnipeg. So he's "not an issue" as he's been handled internally. Craig?
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33322 If stubler ends up here, I think MB and him provide a great complement to oshea... What worries me is that we haven't announced stubler yet if it turns out that we missed stubler - maybe walters isn't getting the job done... then I kind of wonder if MB is a consolation prize and we missed out on khari, etc Surprising the dickenson's name is not really mentioned in any rumours too MB, stubler and dickenson should give us a 500 season at least Just need a QB coach and new OL coach Dickenson already said he doesn't want to come to Winnipeg. So he's "not an issue" as he's been handled internally. Craig? OH. You didn't specify. Sorry.
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33324 There is one more thing I've been thinking about... For those that want Khari: his experience (and only years of leading an offense) were under MB. So basically, if you want Khari, why would you not want MB? You could make a fairly strong argument I think that MB taught Khari quite a bit, so much like how Stubler is viewed as the veteran teacher for the defense, MB could be the veteran teacher for the offense. Basically we hired the teacher and not the pupil. Now personally I thought Khari's resumé was pretty darn thin and was hoping for some wildcard candidate over both of them, but I'm not sure how we get Khari >> MB or even Khari > MB.
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33326 I'm not wild about this hire, but considering what is out there right now for options, I think we did ok with MB. Doug Berry? Meh. He ran Charles Roberts out of town and for that I will still hold a grudge. Who else is there? Cortez? Well ok if he was available. Lapo? Maybe. I don't know. The pickings are pretty slim.
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33327 There is one more thing I've been thinking about... For those that want Khari: his experience (and only years of leading an offense) were under MB. So basically, if you want Khari, why would you not want MB? You could make a fairly strong argument I think that MB taught Khari quite a bit, so much like how Stubler is viewed as the veteran teacher for the defense, MB could be the veteran teacher for the offense. Basically we hired the teacher and not the pupil. Now personally I thought Khari's resumé was pretty darn thin and was hoping for some wildcard candidate over both of them, but I'm not sure how we get Khari >> MB or even Khari > MB. The guy spent years as a CFL QB working under many different offensive coordinators, he has spent time as a qb coach presumably working with still more offensive coordinators including on of the best just this past year in Cortez. That to me is a guy who has seen enough different perspectives on offense in the CFL to not be tied to any one thing. Here's the thing with Khari, I want him back just cause he's a Bomber not a ******* Rider. Get him back where he belongs. Yeah he might not end up being a great offensive coordinator, but then again he might be, where as Bellefool has a lot of past experiences with the job to look at and say "not very impressive at all"
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33329 There is one more thing I've been thinking about... For those that want Khari: his experience (and only years of leading an offense) were under MB. So basically, if you want Khari, why would you not want MB? You could make a fairly strong argument I think that MB taught Khari quite a bit, so much like how Stubler is viewed as the veteran teacher for the defense, MB could be the veteran teacher for the offense. Basically we hired the teacher and not the pupil. Now personally I thought Khari's resumé was pretty darn thin and was hoping for some wildcard candidate over both of them, but I'm not sure how we get Khari >> MB or even Khari > MB. The guy spent years as a CFL QB working under many different offensive coordinators, he has spent time as a qb coach presumably working with still more offensive coordinators including on of the best just this past year in Cortez. That to me is a guy who has seen enough different perspectives on offense in the CFL to not be tied to any one thing. Here's the thing with Khari, I want him back just cause he's a Bomber not a ******* Rider. Get him back where he belongs. Yeah he might not end up being a great offensive coordinator, but then again he might be, where as Bellefool has a lot of past experiences with the job to look at and say "not very impressive at all" Two points I guess I have: Re: CFL QB experience. It's a dangerous game to put that much emphasis on that. The easy example is that Gretzky was a terrible choice. Even if I ignore that thinking, his experience isn't likely that much of a differentiating factor from other players like Maas or Marcus Brady, for example, and I could make the argument that both were more cerebral players than Khari even though Khari was the far better QB than either of them. Re: Bomber/Rider. Personally I just want to win football games. I want the coaches here to be ones that give the team the best chance of achieving that goal. Hiring Bomber legends is not likely to lead to success if you base their resumé on their playing days here.
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33331 Re: Bomber/Rider. Personally I just want to win football games. I want the coaches here to be ones that give the team the best chance of achieving that goal. Hiring Bomber legends is not likely to lead to success if you base their resumé on their playing days here. So what you are saying is - Ken Ploen for OC! Yeah baby!! Mitch Zalnasky for receivers coach!!!
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33332 Doug Brown @DougBrown97 2m A little surprised that anyone associated with the '13 offense would be back, but I suppose Marcel Bellefeuille deserves a full camp & year
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33335 OH. You didn't specify. Sorry. It wasn't me. I was just trying to be clear who we were talking about...
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33336 Doug Brown @DougBrown97 2m A little surprised that anyone associated with the '13 offense would be back, but I suppose Marcel Bellefeuille deserves a full camp & year Funny, that's exactly what we said about Tim Burke at the end of last season.
December 17, 201311 yr comment_33337 Why would not getting Khari or Stubler be any fault of Walters' Are we really going to start up this "let's blame people for things they have nothing to do with" theme again so soon?
December 18, 201311 yr comment_33343 Never had an offense better than 4th in points scored. In Montreal he has A.C., Cahoon, Watkins, Robert Edwards and a great OL and was 7th in points scored. Forget last year, his track record speaks for itself.
December 18, 201311 yr comment_33344 Lets not go nuts here. Khari was OC in HAM for a year and was considerably underwhelming. I think him and Marcel are a wash.
December 18, 201311 yr comment_33345 Doug Brown @DougBrown97 2m A little surprised that anyone associated with the '13 offense would be back, but I suppose Marcel Bellefeuille deserves a full camp & year Funny, that's exactly what we said about Tim Burke at the end of last season. Yeah I thought it sounded familiar.
December 18, 201311 yr comment_33347 Upgrade the OL & qb positions & I think Bellefeuille will be alright.
December 18, 201311 yr Author comment_33349 I'm no raging fan of MB, but there just weren't really many options out there. This was a tough time to be hunting for an OC. Lapo mighta been a better OC right now, but I'm not sure that'd be the right situation.
December 18, 201311 yr comment_33350 Never had an offense better than 4th in points scored. In Montreal he has A.C., Cahoon, Watkins, Robert Edwards and a great OL and was 7th in points scored. Forget last year, his track record speaks for itself. After leaving Saskatchewan, Bellefeuille joined the Montreal Alouettes in 2006 as their running backs and wide receivers coach.[2] In 2007 he was promoted to Offensive Coordinator and running backs coach. In his 1st season in Montreal, he helped Robert Edwards lead the CFL in touchdowns with 17.[2] Bellefeuille also helped the Alouettes be the only team with two 1,000 yard receivers in Kerry Watkins and Ben Cahoon.[2]
December 18, 201311 yr comment_33353 Never had an offense better than 4th in points scored. In Montreal he has A.C., Cahoon, Watkins, Robert Edwards and a great OL and was 7th in points scored. Forget last year, his track record speaks for itself. As has been pointed out, MB was OC in Montreal in 2007 - the year AC left the team to be with his wife while she was battling cancer and the year they had Charlie Carpenter as oline coach and the Als oline gave up the most sacks by far (65).
December 18, 201311 yr comment_33355 Never had an offense better than 4th in points scored. In Montreal he has A.C., Cahoon, Watkins, Robert Edwards and a great OL and was 7th in points scored. Forget last year, his track record speaks for itself. After leaving Saskatchewan, Bellefeuille joined the Montreal Alouettes in 2006 as their running backs and wide receivers coach.[2] In 2007 he was promoted to Offensive Coordinator and running backs coach. In his 1st season in Montreal, he helped Robert Edwards lead the CFL in touchdowns with 17.[2] Bellefeuille also helped the Alouettes be the only team with two 1,000 yard receivers in Kerry Watkins and Ben Cahoon.[2] That team was 7th in points scored.
December 18, 201311 yr comment_33356 Never had an offense better than 4th in points scored. In Montreal he has A.C., Cahoon, Watkins, Robert Edwards and a great OL and was 7th in points scored. Forget last year, his track record speaks for itself. As has been pointed out, MB was OC in Montreal in 2007 - the year AC left the team to be with his wife while she was battling cancer and the year they had Charlie Carpenter as oline coach and the Als oline gave up the most sacks by far (65). A.C. played in over two thirds of the game that year (13). That OL had among other perenial all-star and potential hall of famer Scott Flory. A.C., Cahoon, Watkins, Edwards, Flory is a pretty good base of talent to work with.
December 18, 201311 yr comment_33361 Never had an offense better than 4th in points scored. In Montreal he has A.C., Cahoon, Watkins, Robert Edwards and a great OL and was 7th in points scored. Forget last year, his track record speaks for itself. As has been pointed out, MB was OC in Montreal in 2007 - the year AC left the team to be with his wife while she was battling cancer and the year they had Charlie Carpenter as oline coach and the Als oline gave up the most sacks by far (65). A.C. played in over two thirds of the game that year (13). That OL had among other perenial all-star and potential hall of famer Scott Flory. A.C., Cahoon, Watkins, Edwards, Flory is a pretty good base of talent to work with. So you base his worth as an OC only based on being 7th in scoring, but choose to ignore the other facts. That's weak!
December 18, 201311 yr comment_33362 Never had an offense better than 4th in points scored. In Montreal he has A.C., Cahoon, Watkins, Robert Edwards and a great OL and was 7th in points scored. Forget last year, his track record speaks for itself. As has been pointed out, MB was OC in Montreal in 2007 - the year AC left the team to be with his wife while she was battling cancer and the year they had Charlie Carpenter as oline coach and the Als oline gave up the most sacks by far (65). A.C. played in over two thirds of the game that year (13). That OL had among other perenial all-star and potential hall of famer Scott Flory.A.C., Cahoon, Watkins, Edwards, Flory is a pretty good base of talent to work with. Doesn't mean they were good in 2007. Scott Flory was the only Als' olineman named to the Eastern all-star team that year. The biggest difference between 2007 and 2008 was a change in the blocking schemes. They were bad in 2007.
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