Posted September 26, 201311 yr comment_23133 Well as indicated by the Sun article today a number of players, as expected are not going to resign now and will test the market. This really comes as no surprise, and you can't really blame them given the chaotic atmosphere they have been subjected to.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23138 Well as indicated by the Sun article today a number of players, as expected are not going to resign now and will test the market. This really comes as no surprise, and you can't really blame them given the chaotic atmosphere they have been subjected to. Typical Sun headline...hardly an exodus!....not so sure it is about the chaotic atmosphere...more like MONEY!
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23139 http://www.winnipegsun.com/2013/09/25/the-stage-is-set-for-a-blue-bombers-exodus-after-this-season Yes, money talks, and I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting a shot at the NFL however unrealistic their chances.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23140 Well as indicated by the Sun article today a number of players, as expected are not going to resign now and will test the market. This really comes as no surprise, and you can't really blame them given the chaotic atmosphere they have been subjected to. Typical Sun headline...hardly an exodus!....not so sure it is about the chaotic atmosphere...more like MONEY! The lack of winning and negative atmosphere plays as large a roll in attracting and retaining players as money does .. what incentive does a top tier free agent have to stay in (or come to) Winnipeg when there's little chance of making the playoffs (and making the extra coin associated with a post season birth)? If two contracts are being considered, both offering similar money, what would entice someone to join an organization that's constantly under the microscope and in a state of continual change?
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23143 I think giving the players free water and pop will go a long way in attracting the most coveted free agents. Oh, and those little sandwiches after practice. Those things ROCK!
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23144 Well as indicated by the Sun article today a number of players, as expected are not going to resign now and will test the market. This really comes as no surprise, and you can't really blame them given the chaotic atmosphere they have been subjected to. Typical Sun headline...hardly an exodus!....not so sure it is about the chaotic atmosphere...more like MONEY! The lack of winning and negative atmosphere plays as large a roll in attracting and retaining players as money does .. what incentive does a top tier free agent have to stay in (or come to) Winnipeg when there's little chance of making the playoffs (and making the extra coin associated with a post season birth)? If two contracts are being considered, both offering similar money, what would entice someone to join an organization that's constantly under the microscope and in a state of continual change? There are too many other factors that don't necessarily make these decisions that simple...one example...chance of making the team and being a starter...but in the end it still boils down to money for these guys. If a guy is sitting at home and not working and gets a chance to be on a team in turmoil or not and get a pay cheque...what do you think he would pick?
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23147 Well as indicated by the Sun article today a number of players, as expected are not going to resign now and will test the market. This really comes as no surprise, and you can't really blame them given the chaotic atmosphere they have been subjected to. Typical Sun headline...hardly an exodus!....not so sure it is about the chaotic atmosphere...more like MONEY! The lack of winning and negative atmosphere plays as large a roll in attracting and retaining players as money does .. what incentive does a top tier free agent have to stay in (or come to) Winnipeg when there's little chance of making the playoffs (and making the extra coin associated with a post season birth)? If two contracts are being considered, both offering similar money, what would entice someone to join an organization that's constantly under the microscope and in a state of continual change? There are too many other factors that don't necessarily make these decisions that simple...one example...chance of making the team and being a starter...but in the end it still boils down to money for these guys. If a guy is sitting at home and not working and gets a chance to be on a team in turmoil or not and get a pay cheque...what do you think he would pick? So we can sign the guys sitting on the couch with nothing better to do. But can we sign the guys with other options?
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23150 Well as indicated by the Sun article today a number of players, as expected are not going to resign now and will test the market. This really comes as no surprise, and you can't really blame them given the chaotic atmosphere they have been subjected to. Typical Sun headline...hardly an exodus!....not so sure it is about the chaotic atmosphere...more like MONEY! The lack of winning and negative atmosphere plays as large a roll in attracting and retaining players as money does .. what incentive does a top tier free agent have to stay in (or come to) Winnipeg when there's little chance of making the playoffs (and making the extra coin associated with a post season birth)? If two contracts are being considered, both offering similar money, what would entice someone to join an organization that's constantly under the microscope and in a state of continual change? There are too many other factors that don't necessarily make these decisions that simple...one example...chance of making the team and being a starter...but in the end it still boils down to money for these guys. If a guy is sitting at home and not working and gets a chance to be on a team in turmoil or not and get a pay cheque...what do you think he would pick? So we can sign the guys sitting on the couch with nothing better to do. But can we sign the guys with other options? Obviously we can...for the $$...which will happen before next year
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23153 Never be afraid to sell when things look like they're going down the TUBES!!!!
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23155 I think we all assumed Matthews would be NFL bound after this year. If anything, our chances of having him back next year have risen since he's had such a write-off season. Hall, what can you say? He was always sort of over-qualified for the CFL. And his play on the field has backed that up. And Muamba, that one's going to hurt. It all just underlines to me what a massive job the next GM has here.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23158 I’d like to see Matthews and Hall back, but in all honesty it’s not terribly hard to recruit either position. We’ll see some good competition in camp either way at those spots. I would say an adequate replacement could be found for Matthews a little easier than it could be for Hall. Muamba’s situation is a little more tricky, although if they have already offered him Shea Emery-like money, without any competition of knowing what his value is, I would guess we aren’t prepared to stop there, and will compete hard to re-sign him.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23159 I think we all assumed Matthews would be NFL bound after this year. If anything, our chances of having him back next year have risen since he's had such a write-off season. Hall, what can you say? He was always sort of over-qualified for the CFL. And his play on the field has backed that up. And Muamba, that one's going to hurt. It all just underlines to me what a massive job the next GM has here. Max Hall is overqualified?
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23160 "Tyler Pencer Should be Ready, but Isn't: Bombers' Burke" Guess they had a free agent editor exodus.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23161 could be chaos for lots/most/all teams between the Dispersal draft and the new CBA and SMS
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23162 Well as indicated by the Sun article today a number of players, as expected are not going to resign now and will test the market. This really comes as no surprise, and you can't really blame them given the chaotic atmosphere they have been subjected to. Typical Sun headline...hardly an exodus!....not so sure it is about the chaotic atmosphere...more like MONEY! The lack of winning and negative atmosphere plays as large a roll in attracting and retaining players as money does .. what incentive does a top tier free agent have to stay in (or come to) Winnipeg when there's little chance of making the playoffs (and making the extra coin associated with a post season birth)? If two contracts are being considered, both offering similar money, what would entice someone to join an organization that's constantly under the microscope and in a state of continual change? There are too many other factors that don't necessarily make these decisions that simple...one example...chance of making the team and being a starter...but in the end it still boils down to money for these guys. If a guy is sitting at home and not working and gets a chance to be on a team in turmoil or not and get a pay cheque...what do you think he would pick? Missed the point of my reply .. what top tier free agent is concerned about whether or not they will be a starter? What top tier free agent is going to be sitting at home? So again, all things being equal .. if I'm a coveted free agent .. being offered two contracts for similar money .. where do I go .. a team that's a hot mess .. or one where there is a winning atmosphere and culture? Sure you can overpay for free agents - offer premium cash incentives - but then you run the risk of being hard up against the cap with little flexbility and depth.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23163 I’d like to see Matthews and Hall back, but in all honesty it’s not terribly hard to recruit either position. We’ll see some good competition in camp either way at those spots. I would say an adequate replacement could be found for Matthews a little easier than it could be for Hall. Muamba’s situation is a little more tricky, although if they have already offered him Shea Emery-like money, without any competition of knowing what his value is, I would guess we aren’t prepared to stop there, and will compete hard to re-sign him. I'd argue that Matthews has already been replaced by Aaron Kelly.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23164 Hall is our best player and Henoc is our best Canadian. We desperately need those two back. Matthews would be nice if he could re-gain his 2012 level, but if he walks we'll be okay with Aaron Kelly in his spot. Unfortunately, we probably have the best chance at signing Matthews. It sounds like the other two are gone.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23165 "Tyler Pencer Should be Ready, but Isn't: Bombers' Burke" Guess they had a free agent editor exodus. Tyler is Tyson's even meaner twin brother.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23166 Only problem with Hall is he has played over 30 games in the NFL. Can't be on the practice roster and would have to be paid a lot more than a rookie to the league.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23168 Well as indicated by the Sun article today a number of players, as expected are not going to resign now and will test the market. This really comes as no surprise, and you can't really blame them given the chaotic atmosphere they have been subjected to. Typical Sun headline...hardly an exodus!....not so sure it is about the chaotic atmosphere...more like MONEY! The lack of winning and negative atmosphere plays as large a roll in attracting and retaining players as money does .. what incentive does a top tier free agent have to stay in (or come to) Winnipeg when there's little chance of making the playoffs (and making the extra coin associated with a post season birth)? If two contracts are being considered, both offering similar money, what would entice someone to join an organization that's constantly under the microscope and in a state of continual change? There are too many other factors that don't necessarily make these decisions that simple...one example...chance of making the team and being a starter...but in the end it still boils down to money for these guys. If a guy is sitting at home and not working and gets a chance to be on a team in turmoil or not and get a pay cheque...what do you think he would pick? Missed the point of my reply .. what top tier free agent is concerned about whether or not they will be a starter? What top tier free agent is going to be sitting at home? So again, all things being equal .. if I'm a coveted free agent .. being offered two contracts for similar money .. where do I go .. a team that's a hot mess .. or one where there is a winning atmosphere and culture? Sure you can overpay for free agents - offer premium cash incentives - but then you run the risk of being hard up against the cap with little flexbility and depth. No I didn't miss your point...you never mentioned top tier free agent....now you are, and using that to try and change the fact that for players it is follow the $$. Teams do not usually stay in a disorganized state like the bombers have been in this year. So if you really want to say that disorganization rules over $$, then maybe we can agree that $$ comes first, disorganization issues come second given two exact same scenarios with two different teams.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23169 Well as indicated by the Sun article today a number of players, as expected are not going to resign now and will test the market. This really comes as no surprise, and you can't really blame them given the chaotic atmosphere they have been subjected to. Typical Sun headline...hardly an exodus!....not so sure it is about the chaotic atmosphere...more like MONEY! The lack of winning and negative atmosphere plays as large a roll in attracting and retaining players as money does .. what incentive does a top tier free agent have to stay in (or come to) Winnipeg when there's little chance of making the playoffs (and making the extra coin associated with a post season birth)? If two contracts are being considered, both offering similar money, what would entice someone to join an organization that's constantly under the microscope and in a state of continual change? There are too many other factors that don't necessarily make these decisions that simple...one example...chance of making the team and being a starter...but in the end it still boils down to money for these guys. If a guy is sitting at home and not working and gets a chance to be on a team in turmoil or not and get a pay cheque...what do you think he would pick? Missed the point of my reply .. what top tier free agent is concerned about whether or not they will be a starter? What top tier free agent is going to be sitting at home? So again, all things being equal .. if I'm a coveted free agent .. being offered two contracts for similar money .. where do I go .. a team that's a hot mess .. or one where there is a winning atmosphere and culture? Sure you can overpay for free agents - offer premium cash incentives - but then you run the risk of being hard up against the cap with little flexbility and depth. No I didn't miss your point...you never mentioned top tier free agent....now you are, and using that to try and change the fact that for players it is follow the $$. Teams do not usually stay in a disorganized state like the bombers have been in this year. So if you really want to say that disorganization rules over $$, then maybe we can agree that $$ comes first, disorganization issues come second given two exact same scenarios with two different teams. *cough* (see bolded comment)
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23170 There's a new CBA coming and the SMS is definitely going up with the new tv deal, not to mention a ninth player in free agency. Forget the Bombers issues - if I'm a solid player (forget a potential all-star NI) and my team was 12-0 right now and my agent signed an extension I'd fire him on the spot. Even fringe guys are going to get huge raises. Nature of supply and demand.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23172 The whole 'Shea Emry money' thing was back when Mack was here, no? We just don't know if Mack offered a backloaded contract or signing bonus or whatever... I would be very surprised if we don't sign Muamba just before the deadline.
September 26, 201311 yr comment_23175 There's a new CBA coming and the SMS is definitely going up with the new tv deal, not to mention a ninth player in free agency. yeah it's an intriguing time for potential FA for sure. Adding Ottawa to the mix automatically raises a lot of players value alone.
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