November 5, 20195 yr comment_439974 16 minutes ago, Goalie said: Its a useless stat. You get a minus if u are on the ice when a goal is scored against you. So.. Lets do an example to prove @blue_gold_84 point. +/- is a real stat. Laine led the team last year. Was it coincidence? No, he was bad at playing D. I'm not anti-Morrissey here. I think he's fine but maybe pair him up with Pionk ala Trouba if the others not working out.
November 5, 20195 yr comment_439977 35 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: +/- is a real stat. Laine led the team last year. Was it coincidence? No, he was bad at playing D. I'm not anti-Morrissey here. I think he's fine but maybe pair him up with Pionk ala Trouba if the others not working out. Its a horseshit stat. It doesn't mean anything. A guy who just steps on the ice when a goal is scored gets a minus. It tells u nothing
November 5, 20195 yr comment_439982 26 minutes ago, Goalie said: Its a horseshit stat. It doesn't mean anything. A guy who just steps on the ice when a goal is scored gets a minus. It tells u nothing Maybe, maybe not depending on the scenario. Evaluation on players defensive game ultimately comes through game tape.
November 5, 20195 yr comment_439984 1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: +/- is a real stat. Laine led the team last year. Was it coincidence? No, he was bad at playing D. I'm not anti-Morrissey here. I think he's fine but maybe pair him up with Pionk ala Trouba if the others not working out. It's not simply a matter of changing up the defense pairings. +/- paints, at best, a blurry and incomplete picture. There's way too much variability in such a statistic, hence the criticism it's faced since it was first introduced and more so since analytics and possession metrics have been implemented. How is an arbitrary statistic like +/- a reliable way to assess a single player when there are typically five in total on the ice? If player A makes a mistake and it results in a goal against, players B through E all get a -1. That alone speaks to its flawed nature. https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/just-doesnt-add-history-future-plus-minus/ Quote “[It is] the most useless statistic ever devised,” says Brian Burke, President of Hockey Operations for the Calgary Flames. “It’s pretty simple. If your team stinks, so does your plus-minus. And it’s compounded if you play against the opposition’s top players.”
November 5, 20195 yr comment_440009 3 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said: Maybe, maybe not depending on the scenario. Evaluation on players defensive game ultimately comes through game tape. For sure and i think analytics plays a role. Personally i think some stats are flawed and i prefer the eye test.
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