4 minutes ago, JCon said:

I love how the alt-right try to paint Nazis as "leftists". What a efing world we live in now. 

By what measure is a socialist not on the politically Left? 

8 minutes ago, JCon said:

I love how the alt-right try to paint Nazis as "leftists". What a efing world we live in now. 

Because they were.

Ignorance of this by people who use "Nazi" as a sword to bully and stifle dissent is no defense. 

People using Nazi rhetoric and props thinking they are defending the idea of personal liberty pattriotism or culture is equally, ,if not more, ignorant.

 

Edited April 6, 20196 yr by Zontar

This is probably pointless, but I'll try anyway:

To put it simply, if you go all the way to the far left, you get complete government control.

When you go to all the way to the far right, you get complete corporate control, enabled by government.

Surely you're aware of corporations that benefited from and aided the Nazi regime?  https://allthatsinteresting.com/major-brands-nazi-collaborators

This is not ignorance - it's the way the political spectrum works.

No matter who you are, what you believe and which politics you lean towards - extremism and fundamentalism are dangerous beasts.

 

1 hour ago, JCon said:

I love how the alt-right try to paint Nazis as "leftists". What a efing world we live in now. 

I briefly by accident turned on Rush once. He said Hitler was a Nazi and a socialist. 

couldn't believe it.  

16 hours ago, Zontar said:

Nazis.

As in Natonal Socialism

As in the National Socialist Workers Party.

It's the second word in the name of their party for pitys sake.

I'll see that and raise you the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.  First word.  Present day North Korea.  Sometimes names aren't chosen for their accuracy.

 

1 hour ago, bluto said:

By what measure is a socialist not on the politically Left? 

Anyone think a  Communist is farther left then a socialist?

 

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Anyone think a  Communist is farther left then a socialist?

 

"The goal of socialism is communism."

-V.Lenin

2 hours ago, Mark H. said:

This is probably pointless, but I'll try anyway:

To put it simply, if you go all the way to the far left, you get complete government control.

When you go to all the way to the far right, you get complete corporate control, enabled by government.

Surely you're aware of corporations that benefited from and aided the Nazi regime?  https://allthatsinteresting.com/major-brands-nazi-collaborators

This is not ignorance - it's the way the political spectrum works.

No matter who you are, what you believe and which politics you lean towards - extremism and fundamentalism are dangerous beasts.

 

There's a lot I could suggest to you but if you could read only on thing read up on The German Labour Front.

When you are done..from that moment on..you will never say with a straight face Nazi Germany wasn't soicialist. Ever.

20 hours ago, Zontar said:

There's a lot I could suggest to you but if you could read only on thing read up on The German Labour Front.

When you are done..from that moment on..you will never say with a straight face Nazi Germany wasn't soicialist. Ever.

I know about that.  When you go the extreme right or the extreme left, you get something like The German Labour Front or Russian Communism.

I don't have a problem saying that Nazi Germany was an extreme form of socialism - because it was.  But Hitler's policies are also found on the extreme right - fascism.  

The political spectrum is really a circle.

6 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I know about that.  

No, you don't or we wouldn't be having this exchange.

2 hours ago, Zontar said:

No, you don't or we wouldn't be having this exchange.

Ok then.  Somehow you don't know or can't accept that both extremes of the political spectrum are one and the same.

I'll move on - it was pointless.

13 hours ago, Mark H. said:

Ok then.  Somehow you don't know or can't accept that both extremes of the political spectrum are one and the same.

I'll move on - it was pointless.

They really aren't. You're doing it wrong.

"Socialism is about making the right choices- together.  Like how much water and electricity a person deserves."

Can we stop pretending that our society isn't already socialist? 

It's certainly not capitalist, even those mighty capitalists get plenty of government assistance. 

This photo says a lot, not only does Kenney disagree  with the carbon tax, he doesn't give a damn about climate change and he's proud to project that image to the world.  Sounds like a real leader, I'm actually surprised the truck isn't a 350 considering all the baggage he has to haul around.

Full story.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-gas-prices-climate-change-analysis-wherry-1.5079772

Jason Kenney makes me sick. And what makes me even more sick is the ******* in this province either endorsing the hatred he's spewing or over looking it. 

 

Too many people think it's the same PCs we had before, but it's not, this is basically Wild Rose turned up to 11. 

 

2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Can we stop pretending that our society isn't already socialist? 

It's certainly not capitalist, even those mighty capitalists get plenty of government assistance. 

I'm new here... Was someone suggesting that we aren't quite a way down the socialist sh1t-slope already?

3 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Can we stop pretending that our society isn't already socialist? 

It's certainly not capitalist, even those mighty capitalists get plenty of government assistance. 

We have socialist capitalism.  No need for corporations invest in a new business - let the government establish one and they'll eventually sell it to them.
 

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

We have socialist capitalism.  No need for corporations invest in a new business - let the government establish one and they'll eventually sell it to them.
 

On the other hand, they could also start a new business and then have the government bail it out when they threaten to move or close down.

On 2019-04-06 at 7:29 PM, Mark H. said:

Ok then.  Somehow you don't know or can't accept that both extremes of the political spectrum are one and the same.

I'll move on - it was pointless.

Or maybe just maybe, autocratic and tyrannical leaders were/are actually apolitical and the politics were/are just a means to an end.

17 hours ago, Mark H. said:

We have socialist capitalism.  No need for corporations invest in a new business - let the government establish one and they'll eventually sell it to them.
 

Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor and middle-class.    https://www.newsweek.com/robert-reich-why-socialism-rich-capitalism-poor-455066

18 minutes ago, bluto said:

Dude... We've been fighting for this for decades. 

It won't fix everything overnight... But it's a relief that my local governments are finally willing to treat me like an adult who can decide to have a cold beer in a parking lot by the lake before a football game and not have anyone get hurt by it. Like it should have ever been any of their concern...

Yup. And you wouldn't believe the complaining from people just looking to try and score anti-Ford Pokémon points. 

This move hurts absolutely no one.

Trudeau legalizes weed & everyone is happy. Ford legalizes tailgating & the same people are upset. I hate socialists. 

9 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Trudeau legalizes weed & everyone is happy. Ford legalizes tailgating & the same people are upset. I hate socialists. 

What do socialists have to do with this?

2 minutes ago, Tracker said:

What do socialists have to do with this?

Anything Ford does is criticized by the left... I have friends in Ontario who are Libs or NDP & they're on twitter constantly bitching.