what's funny to me is how often they bring up re-election chances in 2020, like give it up already, no way America is dumb enough to give that ***** another term. 

7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

what's funny to me is how often they bring up re-election chances in 2020, like give it up already, no way America is dumb enough to give that ***** another term. 

 

11 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

what's funny to me is how often they bring up re-election chances in 2020, like give it up already, no way America is dumb enough to give that ***** another term. 

Gerrymandering is a powerful thing.

Add in those that share the same views as what trump is selling.

BIG money... more now since those tax cuts actually materialized for the 1%

And the fact that the Dems don't really have a challenger for trump.

 

 

There is huge potential that trump could be voted in as  president again.

Edited December 21, 20186 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

So have I got this right that the budget they're trying to pass is for 1.3 Billion, but trying to add on 5 billion for the wall?

1 minute ago, itchy said:

So have I got this right that the budget they're trying to pass is for 1.3 Billion, but trying to add on 5 billion for the wall?

No, it's for much more. the 1.3 billion is for border security.

If I understand correctly, Trump wants $5 billion for the wall.  Which he now claims is not really a concrete wall.  He says that was a Democrat lie even though there is video of Trump promising a big concrete wall.  Dems offered $2 billion or whatever for border security.

Even trump knows how stupid it was of him to claim the shutdown. Damage control!

 

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

If I understand correctly, Trump wants $5 billion for the wall.  Which he now claims is not really a concrete wall.  He says that was a Democrat lie even though there is video of Trump promising a big concrete wall.  Dems offered $2 billion or whatever for border security.

If I'm the Democrats, I just answer any complaints about a shutdown that is their fault with "but the President promised the American people the wall would cost them nothing - Mexico was going to pay for it all". At the end of the day, when people vote for politicians, they want to say "I am better off than I was" and the way they typically measure that is more money in their pockets. Trump can lie, cheat, philander, break the law, and be an out-and-out racist and the sad truth is the morality police have nothing on him that can't be forgiven by his voters if they can say they have more money in their pockets at the end of the day. So all of his promises really play to that:

MAGA/build the wall/America first - keep out the immigrants stealing our American jobs, and we don't have to pay a dime for it

Biggest tax cut in history - forget that it is aimed at the top 1%, the average citizen sees that they get $30 more per paycheque in their wallets (at least in the first year) and thinks it is great

Look at the economy - as measured in simple terms by the Dow Jones at record highs (no one really understands the nuance of the numbers or the volatility, just keep pointing out the historic highs - "never been over 26,000 in history before Trump" - because few average folks appreciate that it always trends up long term), so if the country is rich, I must be rich too

So hit him where his promise really hurts - Mexico would pay for it. Play the party line of "we cannot condone what amounts to a $5 billion tax hike to the American public for a wall that will have no real effect. Trump lied to you when he said you wouldn't have to pay for it.

3 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

If I'm the Democrats, I just answer any complaints about a shutdown that is their fault with "but the President promised the American people the wall would cost them nothing - Mexico was going to pay for it all".

They can save that for January. Fact is, right now, the GOP controls all three levels of government. This is owned entirely by the GOP and their leadership. 

Trump has never owned anything in his life.  People really expected him to start now?   

The House vote was simply the last gasp, for the know-nothing Freedom Caucasus/Tea part types, before the Dems take over the House.......with Trump, of course characterizing it as some sort of epic and unprecedented victory.   Pure theater.

4 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Can they just put off the vote til tomorrow?  Trump will be on vacation and forget all about it.

Seriously, we see Trump's strategy as the walls begin to close in. He's appealing more and more to his radical base.  Just wait til they come for him with handcuffs...Could we see a US President who actually flees and is held up in some foreign nation trying to avoid extradition? 

That would be epic, POTUS in exile haranguing the world from Micronesia.

Dems should keep playing video of Trump claiming "Mexico is paying for the cement wall" intercut with "Ill own the shutdown".  Over and over and over.

54 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Dems should keep playing video of Trump claiming "Mexico is paying for the cement wall" intercut with "Ill own the shutdown".  Over and over and over.

Put it on a loop, like "A Christmas Story" on TBS.

Early estimates of the cost of the wall (2 years ago) pegged it at $25 billion, not $5 billion. Couldn't hurt to throw that nugget out there either for the voters. "He's lied to you about not having to pay, and it will cost even more than he's now conceding it will cost you"

55 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Dems should keep playing video of Trump claiming "Mexico is paying for the cement wall" intercut with "Ill own the shutdown".  Over and over and over.

Lets face it this imbecile has given the Democrats more than enough material, slowly he is losing the GOP and in time it will be every man for themselves as the GOP starts infighting, it has actually all ready started, he has no chance on being a 2 term President.

15 minutes ago, bustamente said:

he has no chance on being a 2 term President.

Said EVERYONE circa 2015/2016.

 

GD it. **** Paul Ryan....

He's not even coming back, yet still need to keep lyin.

"Ryan: Trump won't sign without border security"

Border security is offered in the tune of 1.3 billion dollars.... just not 5 Bil for his stupid wall. ffs Paul- just leave, you spineless turd.

 

Paul Ryan and Cocaine Mitch are two prime examples of human garbage. 

 

 

Edited December 21, 20186 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

1 minute ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Said EVERYONE circa 2015/2016.

Right place at the right time everything fell into place for him and certain factors regarding Russians and porn stars were not common knowledge.When wind bag Ann Coulter turns on you and does a hatchet job on your presidency it only a matter of time before other hard right turn on him.

Just now, bustamente said:

Right place at the right time everything fell into place for him and certain factors regarding Russians and porn stars were not common knowledge.When wind bag Ann Coulter turns on you and does a hatchet job on your presidency it only a matter of time before other hard right turn on him.

I hope you're right- god do I ever...

 

Man... reading this is so surreal:

 

"Mattis stopped Washington in its tracks -- even after months of stunning plot twists in Donald Trump's presidency, and as stock markets plunge, a legal net tightens around the White House andthe government is about to shut down."

40 minutes ago, bustamente said:

Right place at the right time everything fell into place for him and certain factors regarding Russians and porn stars were not common knowledge.When wind bag Ann Coulter turns on you and does a hatchet job on your presidency it only a matter of time before other hard right turn on him.

Plus Hillary Clinton was the single most unlikable politician ever. Anyone but her and I suspect Donny Moscow never wins anything. 

American, Saudi, and Israeli politicians do not care about Syrian people,  or Assad. They wanted to stick it to Iran, and Russia.

If they had stayed out of Syria, the war probably would have ended quickly, and the thousands of refugees from there would not have gone to Europe.

 

I doubt that most Americans are upset about their troops coming home, or care at all what happens in Syria.

Spend the money on something at home. They need it there. 

Edited December 21, 20186 yr by Mark F

Paul Ryan turned out to be a huge disappointment.  

2 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

I hope you're right- god do I ever...

 

Depends if Putin or the Chinese wants him back or not.

6 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Depends if Putin or the Chinese wants him back or not.

I think the Chinese want him out and putin want  him in.

And trump wants to fire the fed chairman which he probably can’t do. As stock markets tumble. Fear of impending economic slowdown. 

Walls are really closing in. 

19 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Plus Hillary Clinton was the single most unlikable politician ever. Anyone but her and I suspect Donny Moscow never wins anything. 

yes the Democrats screwing over Bernie Sanders (who would have been a terrible president too) was the reason they lost.  Say what you want, but the Clintons sure run corrupt campaigns.